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User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

We just got jetbridges here in CLL and man are they different! We have the "radial" design I think, where you can't steer the wheels, just one way or the other, you move forward by extending the "tunnel". I'm sure that parking RJ's isn't that bad but has anyone ever parked a full sized jetbridge on a Saab? Exciting! Only had about 6in clearance from the spinner to the bridge. I would like to hear anyone else's thoughts/stories on the topic.

-fourstripe


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User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

One more thing I'd like to ask:

Is there any really good and quick way to transfer valet-checked bags up onto the bridge and vice versa?

-fourstripe



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User currently offlineTungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Great to hear it Fourstripe! You should post some pics if you can.

They're probably the same as ABI's FMC/Jetway Teleradials that we discussed in the "Colgan" topic. I'll post Sside's picture again, mated to an ERJ-145:


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You can see the non-steerable wheels...

What's the consequences of bumping the prop? I would assume it would cause a maintenance delay, at least a visual inspection....


User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Well the consequences would more than likely be horrible! Aside from losing my job (more than likely), there would be a huge maintainence delay. CLL has NO contract MX and so we would have to wait and fly a mechanic down on the next flight for him to sign the logbook saying everything is OK.

-fourstripe



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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Theres a couple of picks on the site of XJ SF3 parked at jet bridges in MSP.

My only experience boarding a prop by jetbridge was at GLH. Its very cool and
"Big" airport like. Intrestingly, when i arrived back in GLH deplaning was open ramp, this was due to mx delays and the need to turn the aircraft faster.

Regional jetbridges were actually intended for small local service airports, but most of these facilities are not presently jetbridge accomadating, and the remodeling cost would be too much for small airports to bear, considering the handle 2 or 3 flts a day.

Larger regional fields can sustian the bridges, but if they are a continuely picking up new air service, then it could leave airlines without gates or open ramping, which cosmetically wouldn't blend in, and the airline probably wouldn't be enthusied with compliants when pax see other carrier docking at JBs.

Another downside is that briding the prop or rj is not always in the best interest of maintaing quick turn times. With oversized carryons, Ground staff must move these bags out of the jet way, to the cart, and off to the hold, which adds a step, considering w/ open ramp, pax put bags on the cart.
Then the bridged has to be pulled out/to the plane, and as you mentioned, with SF3 that can be a methodical, slower procedure.

Its a novel idea, but props and RJs may not all be suited for big jet treatment, the best way to incorporate jetway use is to roll airstairs to the bridge, let pax walk down and then hop on the plane, still get big plane treatment, albit modified for the regional field.



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User currently offlineDtremit From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

In DTW, NW has multi-tiered carts set up just past the boarding door for gate-checked bags. Passengers leave gate checked items on the carts, which are then wheeled out to the plane. The jetway is constructed so they can just slide the carts in and out. I've actually only flown out of DTW on an RJ, so I don't know how they do arrivals, but it definitely speeds up boarding.

User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Dtremit:

Pretty cool inovation. That would diffently work well for ground level boarding,
of course DTW is a hub w/ a new terminal for its favorite airline, so it might be a while before we see downstations retrofitting bridges for that.



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User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I'd love to see some pics of teh DTW cart/jetway innovation. Are there any posted on this site?


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
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I believe MSP has the same system as DTW. There is a little elevator in the jetway, the pax will put their bags on the cart, then the gate agent closes the door after the last pax, so ramp can lower the cart and push it over to the plane. The cart then stays outside until the next flight arrives, put the incoming bags on it, put it back in the elevator and raise it. The door is now opened by the gate agent.

I tried to find a pic, but can't find any.



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Here in Mexico we have some airports that have the jetway for those planes, like TAM (first to operate one) and CUL, there are plans about putting one here in MTY due to the load of regional jets here (lot of embraers 5D, AA, CO, DL), and speaking of close to the jetway, the MX A318 had to be pulled to the jetway, because a small mistake will lead into a aircraft crash against the jetway (the engine gets about 1m from the jetway, pretty close).


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User currently offlineKaputt From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Hmm I never heard of boarding props with a jetway. But still, pretty sweet.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

PLN (Pellston/Emmet County Michigan), this tiny little airport served only by NW--actually XJ/9E--and only service to DTW just doubled their gates (to TWO! -- Gate number "Duck" on the left and "Turkey" on the right, IIRC) and got jetways about a year or two ago.

They have the same system as DTW has for dumping bags plainside - there's a cart (same as what you'd have without a jetway) to the right as you leave the terminal that you can throw bags on before boarding. The CSR then pulls it out down a short ramp, throws the bags in the hold, pulls the jetway and ...

Keep in mind thoough that RJ jetways start off much closer to ground level than big jet jetways which makes this concept much more doable.

Works quite well, especially when it's FREEZING out and you have a southern Californian like me  Smile

I've done both CRJs and SF3s using this process -- have pictures somewhere -- and it never really seemed that the jetway was especially close to the props (then again, I think every time I've done it, the jetway has been parked so that its right edge is aligned with the right edge of the L1 door meaning a GREAT view of the flight deck.)

Highly recommend PLN -- beautiful and very unique little airport (with an enclosed observation deck) in a beautiful part of the counrty.

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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

We have DEW bridges at my airport with the same design as yours. Parking the CRJ is really easy, however NW uses the bridge with their Saab's at my airport... its pretty amazing to see that. With the layout of the bridges and gates, they actually have to pull the "tunnel" all the way in, then swing the bridge from the nose, along the fusalage to the prop to dock the bridge. They can't just drive it left and extend the tunnel to the boarding door.

With regards to your valtet, gate-checked bags... we have a door at the bottom of the bridge, just where the bridge runs into the gate area. We put our valet bags on a cart and drive them up to that door, then the pax simply pulls them off of the cart as they walk by. It's a nice design actually... there is a little garage style door, and the area where the cart goes it all enclosed. You push the cart up, close the door on the ramp side, and open the door terminal side to prevent access to the ramp.



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

http://www.dewbridge.com/products/index.html

Dew Bridge has jetways that will fit everything from a Saab 340 to an A340. Pretty cool product line.


User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

It looks like Dew has a great product line. I wonder if the airport authority here (Texas A&M University) will ever consider purchasing a valet bag system for us. Hustling bags up and down the jetbridge stairs is only fun for so long! Especially on quick turns!

-fourstripe



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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

US Airways has the F Terminal at PHL, which is one of the best I've seen. They pull everything from the Dash to the 170 up to those jetways. Granted, there are an unfortunate few like the Dork that don't use the jetways. I really think jetways play an important role in altering the public perception of regional jet/prop service...as long as pax don't have to climb stairs or see a prop, they seem less inclined to comment on "how small/tiny this puddlejumper is" as they board!

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

At ABI, there are no pushback tugs, so aircraft must complete a wide circle to turn around. For this reason, the jetbridges make a very, very wide swing to get up to the plane. It can be annoying, because a bell goes off while the bridge is moving, and it can take about 30 seconds just to move it up to the fuselage!

Fourstripe, load some pics to myaviation.net when you get a chance!



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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Here's MSP's regional jetbridges. Great Lakes Av (when it operated into MSP) didn't use a jetbridge, however, you can see the 9E/XJ jetways behind the aircraft.


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User currently offlineCodasco From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2429 times:

Well, I've been surprised be some airports/airlines that do/do not use jetways for regional service. On a recent trip with AA (Chautauqua) STL-CMH, jetways were used at both airports (the C1 jetway at STL seemed awfully long for ERJ service). This didn't surprise me. On another trip, STL-CVG-CMH-IAD-ROA (can you come up with a more convoluted route) with DL (Comair/Chautauqua) and UA (Atlantic Coast/Shuttle America) not a single flight used a jetway. I figured that DL's operations at STL, let alone CVG were large enough to justify jetways. UA at CMH, and IAD didn't surprise me though, as UA at CMH is small, and UA has a separate regional terminal at IAD (and I was on a Saab). ROA had a rather strange setup. THe saab parked on the apron and the passengers were deplaned via air stairs, but they had a jetway that came all the way down to the ground level for the passengers to hike up into the terminal.

On the other hand, on COexpress STL-EWR, CO used jetways at its very small STL operation.


User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

They have jetbridges on the US Airways Express gates in Columbia, SC (CAE). They aren't pulled up to the aircraft, however; I suppose it has something to do with the design of the jetbridges, one of which is broken. I have always thought that it was better to board passengers through the jetbridges without giving them access to the ramp, if only for safety and security reasons, not to mention that it is much more pleasant to board this way in inclement weather.

User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Here are some regional jetbridges in DTW. If you look closely in the 2nd pic you can see the jetbridges going to the SAABs.


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See if you can find something fishy in the background of this picture...


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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Ahh, yes! I do see an odd pairing, it appears a CRJ has come to visit his big brother on the DTW A concourse.


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