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All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?  
User currently offlineViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

It is referred to as "Eurowhite" but the first airline with an all white livery as far as I remember was PANAM in the mid 80s. Did PANAM started the all white livery or another airline?



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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Western Airlines.... waaayyyy back before PA


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Actually it was Air West. Very short lived before the merger to become Hughes Air west

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Indian Airlines back in 1970.

Quite radical for its time, especially coming from a State run carrier.


User currently offlineJcded From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

If I remember correctly I believe it was Air France (hence the Euro since many european airlines followed suit) it was first revelaed when Concorde went into service for them.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Again, there are no pics of Air West in the Data base, however they had a "Euro White" livery in the 1960's. This one is under AA from 1971.

I don't recall AI having a white livery in the 70's.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Well, I did a bette search and found these, well before Air France "euro white."



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User currently offlineViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Thanks! I was living in CCS at the time that PA changed its livery and it looked very nice; so common these days that it has become quite boring IMO. BTW Dtwcklipper interesting picture with the AA 747-100 in the background.
Cheers



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User currently offlineDc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

I think by all white he means no stripe on the fuselage. Western did have an all white fuselage but it had a red stripe.

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

My 1st thought was Air France, but I suppose "technically" AirWest was the 1st "Eurowhite" liverysince that was back in the 60s, and AF came out with theirs later on.


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User currently offlineCougarAviator From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

How about Texas International?


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

CougarAviator:

We are talking "euro white"....there is a cheatline on the Texas Air Dc-9!

dtwclipper


User currently offlineSprxUSA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

So I guess it should be called "AirWest white"!


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User currently offlineVictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

don't recall AI having a white livery in the 70's.

Your probably referring to Air-India (AI).
Jaysit said Indian Airlines not Air India.

But IC has a light grey coloured bottom half....I wonder if it would qualify as a 'eurowhite' livery.

This is the oldest IC pic I could find on A.net

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

VictorTango;

I realized that almost as soon as I said it. But, I can't find any Indian Airlines pics that are older either, even on their website history section.

So, was there all white design from the 60's?

dtwclipper


User currently offlineVictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

DTWclipper, This is what I found...



This livery was probably used in the 60's.



This is a 1964 timetable. Has the image of the aircraft in the old livery.



This is the 1970 timetable. This has the new corporate identity.

So I guess we can presume that the current livery has been there since 1970.

Rgds, Olly


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

Aaaaah, you youngsters. "Eurowhite" as in "European"? As in French? As in... (drumroll please) ... UTA? Union de Transport Aeriens? How does 1977 for a full-white body and blue tail strike you? (There are earlier white ones at UTA, but I remember watching the UTA Dc10s roll past me at CDG in -- eeek -- 1977.

Here's a nice shot of the livery...


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Wow - the VW Rabbit and the Fiat in this picture almost made me think this was Europe in 1977, not Long Beach!
Sorry to get off topic but is this DC-10 still flying?



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Okay guys, this one is really really simple.

THE WINNER IS......




AND that is the reason it is called "eurowhite" and not American white or Asian white etc etc.

Now.... in order to be euro white, the aircrafts WHOLE body must be white.
No grey belly's, or metal bellys, even if it is only a small amount at the very bottom. SO that discredits company's like Air West and Texas international from being the first (and it means company's like CO, DL and Lufthansa don't have eurowhite today either)

The eurowhite scheme was introduced by Air France just before the commencement of Supersonic concorde flights (and hence those lovely white delta wings) and was first flown on the Airbus A300-B2. The first flight was from CDG to LHR, and hence at the time, the press coined the term Eurowhite.



User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Sorry, Lufthansa, the popular Euro white color scheme was seen on UTA flights before AF even thought about their change.

I can remember my school book for French language and there were pictures of AF Caravelle and 727 with old color scheme.

UTA already had the incredible green doors and white body.

Nothing as boring as a plane with window stripes - unbeleavable that some airlines still have them.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

I have to agree with Lufthansa. When reading the title of this thread I immediately was thinking of Air France, as they were the first airline that introduced an all-white fuselage. This is why they are called "euro-white".

A388


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

UTA has billboard titles and the blue stripe at the back so surley that counts against it being Euro-White.

I too think it would be Air France but then again I wasn't around in the 60's and '70s  Big grin

Phil  Smile
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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5102 times:

NumberTwelve


Have a good look at the UTA scheme.... I don't think you've looked closely enough at it. For instance, this picture was taken in 1978, clearly showing a metal bottom (grey in some instances) making this NOT a eurowhite scheme....sure, they didn't have a cheatline, but they weren't a eurowhite scheme. ( I might point out that there were electra's and DC-6's that had white tops to help keep the cabin cooler bright sunlight. )


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As you can see, UTA wasn't a eurowhite. An early airline to dump the cheatline yes, but not a eurowhite.


User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5100 times:

Didn't they have to make the concorde all white so it could reflect more heat and therefore operate at Mach 2.0

Any other colour and the skin would heat up too much, thats why the blue pepsi concorde was limited to Mach 1.7

Is this why Air France went all white with the rest of the fleet?


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5086 times:

BAL

YES you're right, I had forgotten totally about!!!!!! Which is exactly why they introduced the Scheme right before the Concorde flights started!!!!!!!!

Yes...it was all about Supersonic glory, The space-aged supersonic seventies!


25 Jaysit : I'd still say Indian Airlines. In spite of the grey belly, it had a predominantly white fuselage, without any of the characteristic embellishments ass
26 BALandorLivery : Thought so. Personally I like Air France's livery, don't think it needs to be changed.
27 Post contains images ViasaMSY : I clearly remember in the 70's the AF Concorde performing a low altitude flight over CCS wearing an all white livery with the characteristic AF black
28 Charvett : Dear ViasaMSY: I was at the airport at that time; 6years old. My father flew for LAV. Then the Concorde was parked beside a VIASA DC-8 at the old term
29 Post contains images Propulsion : BALandorLivery: 'Personally I like Air France's livery, don't think it needs to be changed.' Yes it is nice but only if they would give their fleet a
30 Post contains links and images 787 : Air West was very white evidence the photos then there was Air France with similar. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard View Large View Med
31 Charvett : Great 787!! As far some friends tell me (I'm also an airline employee)... we need to have in mind the cost of painting an airliner ($$$$$$$$$$$$$). Th
32 Post contains images PA101 : Well, if you want an allwhite fuselage, AF is probably the winner. However, to me, all these white birds with more or less grey on the bottom are at l
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