FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
Tim Clark , CEO of EK , declared yesterday at Dubai that he considers both 787 and A350 (all versions) too small for him.
Which plane does he look for ?
AA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3595 times:
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Perhaps for their forecasted route uses, they would have had to buy many products which can result in a space expenditure at airports; or buy a bigger one. Remember not all carriers follow along what a manufacturer forecasts, it is usually the other way around. Thesedays companies try to be a step ahead to retain the maximum value for their product, giving their customers what they want and when they want it.
I.e. A380 might be a bit ahead, and thus so far, fit into Emirates' idea of the future or their potential uses, same with SQ and anyone that purchse that plane.
ANA purchased 50 some odd 787's for their potential uses, it goes with the territory.
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5341 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
Hmmm... that's an odd, blanket- type statement. NEITHER the 350 NOR the 787 are large enough? Then it sounds like we've got an order for more 777s and 330s coming.
I really don't think what he said makes sense.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3379 times:
ANA ordered the 7E7 because by the late this decade the 763s will be a high-cycle airframe and requires replacement. 763s aren't typically used for 6 or 7 rotations a day. Of course, the long-range version of the 7E7 will open up new routes.
EK will continue to use A332 to open up new markets and once traffic is established, they are replaced with larger 777s or A340s.
Of course in due time, the A332 will have to replaced but not just yet.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
In light of the previous statements saying he wanted a 7E7^H^H^H787 with 290 seat capacity and 8300nm range, it was clear that neither the A359 or 787-9 were going interest him.
That said, I would think a smaller craft like the 787 series would be better for opening up new routes, and replacing with a higher capacity craft like the 777 or A345/6 if demand warrants it.
[Edited 2005-01-30 05:12:08]
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Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
>>>"Of course, the long-range version of the 7E7 will open up new routes. "<<
This confuses me everytime I read it. Which came first? The airlines' need for the range or Boeing deciding to add range to give airlines more options? It gives me the impression Boeing may actually have this market by the balls, like what they say goes, in terms of what gets built.
Is it that people dream until the technology come around, or do the dreamers come up with the technology? Who's controlling who? Markets are not supposed to be controlled.
[Edited 2005-01-30 09:27:23]
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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.
You can bet your life that EK will be ordering the larger versions of the B 787 or A 350 in the future as a replacement for their A 330-200s.
EK CEOs Tim Clark mentioned that he doesnt want a B 787-900 seating 3 class configured pax with 257 seats only...he wants 290 seats for a 3 class layout!!! I guess then the best option for him is the A 350-900 seating 3 class pax in a 287 seat layout.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2155 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
A few years back, Mr Clark announced that EK is already outgrowing the A332 and that this type will be retired from the fleet as soon as the first A380s start arriving. The last A332 should leave the fleet, according to that statement, in 2010 (I think).
The smallest aircraft in the fleet will be a Boeing 777-300.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3145 times:
EK CEOs Tim Clark mentioned that he doesnt want a B 787-900 seating 3 class configured pax with 257 seats only...he wants 290 seats for a 3 class layout!!! I guess then the best option for him is the A 350-900 seating 3 class pax in a 287 seat layout.
But he wanted 8300nm range, which the currently specified A350-900 doesn't give him. It seems that EK wants more than a more efficient A343/772ER replacement, something cheaper and somewhat less capable than the A345/772LR.
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9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
Quote : EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.
I am sorry to tell you that your info is wrong. EK took delivery of her first A332 in between 2000 and 2001. Their oldest A332 in EK's fleet is only 5-6 years old.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
I am sorry to tell you that your info is wrong. EK took delivery of her first A332 in between 2000 and 2001. Their oldest A332 in EK's fleet is only 5-6 years old.
I fear that is wrong as well. Emirates' first A332, A6-EKQ, is a 1998 model and was delivered in March 1999. Average A330 fleet age is around four years.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2155 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2919 times:
Not quite - they have one A310, plus 772s, A343s and A345s (all of which are smaller than the 773!
They have now, they won't then, except the A345s which were not even ordered when the article was published, in Aviation Business if I recall correctly.
The A310 is leaving in May, the 772s are aging and will surely leave by 2010 and the A343s were leased only two years ago. They will remain in the fleet for another six years.
I'm not even going to comment on EK's A345 fleet...
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2866 times:
Wow, looks like Emirates could be ordering additional A380's & 777's in the future.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.
I mean, didn't the 332 first fly in 1998? Hard to have planes from 95 and 96.
A few years back, Mr Clark announced that EK is already outgrowing the A332 and that this type will be retired from the fleet as soon as the first A380s start arriving.
This is logic I can't buy. First off, there are some Indian and Mid East airports where the larger planes have a hard time.
Second, opening a brand new speculative market with a 350 seat plane is bad business and Mr. Clark knows it.
There are going to be airports for which they always need a 250 seat plane.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
The 787 & A350 may well be too small for the unprecedented expansion Mr. Clark anticipates. EK already has a large (29), relatively new fleet of A332s which can be deployed for the secondary routes/missions Gigneil described. Otherwise, Mr. Clark's vision, based on his public utterances, seems to be to supersize everything else.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7696 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
I think it's much more likely that EK will be getting more 777-300's in both normal and ER versions. The 787 and A350 are too small for EK's needs.
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