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What Happens To ATC When A Near Miss Is Reported?  
User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

If ATC make an error and two aircraft take action to avoid collision as directed by TCAS, what happens to the controller when an air-miss is reported?

Does he/she finish the shift and deal with it after, or does another controller take over?

Any ATC officers out there who can provide info?

Regds

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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Depends on the situation. TCAS instructions are sometimes issued when ATC has already ensured separation. I saw this one time. Aircraft A climbing to ten thousand, Aircraft B descending to eleven thousand. Both aircraft got a TCAS alert, A to continue climb through B per TCAS instruction, B got TCAS alert to increase descent rate. They passed in the clouds and never saw each other, the targets merged on our RADAR. That's a full digital RADAR, and they were about 10 miles from the antenna. so it was VERY close.

In a situatiuon where ATC has blown it, usually the Controller in question is relieved by another Controller so he/she can participate in the investigation process.

In the US ARTCCs (ACCs) the computer will alert the supervisor if a Controller has less than required separartion, resulting in the above process as well. That device is not in our Terminal Control facilities.

That's the US answer. Hope someone from NATS chimes in as well.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Anybody ever seen PUSHING TIN... That movie has a fine example on what happens with a near-miss.

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

BR715-A1-30........"Anybody ever seen PUSHING TIN... That movie has a fine example on what happens with a near-miss."

Once again Max, you mouth off about something you know nothing, or little about. "Pushing Tin" is a movie. It's fictitious. It is the usual dose of fast driving, booze, sex, and adrenalin surrounding a mysterious occupation the general public doesn't understand, but is willing to pop the six bucks to see.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Is there a Recording of the Conversation,whats the Duration of the Recording unit.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26531 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

>"Pushing Tin" is a movie. It's fictitious. It is the usual dose of fast driving, booze, sex, and adrenalin surrounding a mysterious occupation the general public doesn't understand,<

I know many in the FAA and that movie is apparently the most false recount of ATC possible

>but is willing to pop the six bucks to see.<

Tell me where I can see a first run movie that cheap?




Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Hawk21m,

Yes, all conversations in all ATC positions are recorded. There are different machines out there that serve as recording devices but alot of them are 24 hours per tape. They are changed everyday and kept for 30 days before being put back on the machine. Alot of times, depending on the incident, shortly after the incident the tape will be removed so it can be reviewed, and a spare tape put on the recording device.


Rgds,


Atc Rick






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