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Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS  
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2456 times:

For over two years Aeropostal and Air Europa were operating a successfull codeshare between MAD and CCS.
Air Europa took more and more control over the flight and started flying MAD-UIO by itself, dropping the VH connection between CCS and UIO.
Now this codeshare will come to an end on 1st of June.
Let´s see what happens. Can Air Europa carry on by itself those 5 weekly flights ? Will Aeropostal find another partner ? Or will them fly by themselves ?
Time will tell....

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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2416 times:

CivilAv saw this coming... he was right.

It's a shame, I think VH will lose many pax from UIO and BOG that used to connect in CCS  Sad. Let's wait and see what happens... I think this will hurt VH more than it will hurt UX. I think CCS has enough traffic to/from MAD to be able to keep the UX flight profitable, but on the other side, many pax that flew between CCS and UIO were connecting pax and not O&D....


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2399 times:



This could be seen coming.

Aeropostal always played an important role in feeding AirEuropa's flights between Caracas and Madrid, and both of them were often seen as the most afordable way of travelling to Spain, not limited to Venezuela, but from Ecuador and Colombia also.


A much harder task for Air Europa now, who can see a considerable down-turn in route performance. This, altogether with the company's expansion plans including other, much more attractive destinations in Latin America may put the CCS service in the edge of the plank.





SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2396 times:

It's a shame, I think VH will lose many pax from UIO and BOG that used to connect in CCS . Let's wait and see what happens... I think this will hurt VH more than it will hurt UX.


Not at all, both AV and VH are doing great between Caracas and Bogotá. Aeropostal, on one side, was eager to increase frequencies to BOG, they did, and now they offer a convinient business-oriented scheduled that matches the one offered by Avianca; on the other, Avianca reportedly said that Caracas was the best destination in terms of performance throughout the past high season.





SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2383 times:

his, altogether with the company's expansion plans including other, much more attractive destinations in Latin America may put the CCS service in the edge of the plank.

Which are those destinations? EZE, SCL, GRU, MEX?


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2373 times:


There have been many talks about new markets on the "to be analized/explored" list, including EZE and especially MEX. There are most likely others.




SOUTHAMERICA



User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2361 times:

It would be great to have VH in MEX. Does anybody know what kind of equipment they would use for this flight? I believe that MX is currently flying one A320 daily to CCS.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2354 times:

If VH ever gets to fly to MEX it would be a MD-88. Maybe it'll be a bit payload restricted because of MEX's height, but Im not a tech expert, maybe someone can help. CCS-MEX is 2224 miles and the MD88s range is 2650 miles....

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2348 times:

Expect a stop on a VH flight, e.g. in San Pedro Sula, the Hub of the sister company AeroHonduras. Continuing SAP-MEX as codeshare...

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2348 times:

Given that no Central American or Mexican carrier flies regularly scheduled flights between MEX and Honduras, VH might get 5th freedom rights between SAP and MEX. What do you think?

Whatever the story is, I hope we see VH here in MEX some day.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2338 times:

VH might get 5th freedom rights between SAP and MEX.
As VH owns a part of AeroHonduras, this leg could be under 4S flightnumber.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Maybe it'll be a bit payload restricted because of MEX's height, but Im not a tech expert, maybe someone can help.

AV's MD-83s go out of UIO penalized with more or less 40.000lb for the short hop to BOG [around 500nm]. You get the idea.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

SOUTHAMERICA, I am unfamiliar with the range of the MD-83 but I am very surprised to hear about the penalty for this flight. Tell me something, is the penalty really due to UIO's altitude or does it have more to do with UIO's runway length? If I am "barking" some idiocy please feel free to correct me. It's just that I can't believe that a Mad Dog would be penalized for such a short trip! Thanks a lot in advance for the information Fede.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

As far as I know, the MD-88 is the long range version of the Mad Dogs family.... MD88s have far more range that any other MD-80s.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

EddieDude,


The MD-83 normally takes-off with a maximum weight of 160.000lbs in optimal climate/topographical conditions. From Quito - Mariscal Sucre International Airport, Avianca operate their 2 MD-83 flights to Bogotá under a heavy penalization of 40.000lbs, basically due to UIO's extreme altitude conditions [more than 9000 feet above sea level], and to an additional extent increased because of a considerably hot environment in the afternoon.

Quito, Guayaquil and Lima are strong performers cargo-wise, hence AV currently using their 767-200ERs in medium-haul BOG-LIM. AV operates 3 daily flights in the UIO-BOG route; the first service of the day is operated by a 757, departs Quito early in the morning and has no payload issues whatsoever. The other two services depart Quito later during the day, operated by the MD-83s which, as mentioned, go out penalized. It is Avianca's objective to reach an all-757 operation to Quito, but currently they are being fully-used in flights to Miami from secondary cities in Colombia, to New York, and other flights to deep South America.

Don't hesitate to drop by any doubt or question. If I can help I'm pretty sure I will.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineJjjm From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

I think, what SOUTHAMERICA was indicating, was UX expansion to south America, Not VH....so don´t expect VH to MEX anytime soon.

Even CCS-MEX is a wonderful route, there is no plans for any Venezuelan carrier to start it.

it´s would be great to see VH serving
CCS-SJO-MEX or
CCS-SAP-MEX or
CCS-PTY-MEX or
CCS-GUA-MEX or
CCS SAL MEX

But don't expect it soon


User currently offlineCharvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Hi Fellows:

Regarding Aeropostal, I think they will make great profits if just
concentrating their network in the Western Hemisphere. Keep
their present destinations plus adding JFK, MEX, SCL, EZE & GRU.
Some equipmet can be added (maybe 2 A-320's and 2 A-310's).
See the idea: North-South traffic? Run the airline based
on efficiency/reliability, good service and high employee morale.
CCS has been a strategic point for decades.The Republic of
Venezuela is developing tourism as an alternate source of income
(apart from oil). The airport is in the middle of an ambitious plan
of expansion and modernization; so now is a very nice airport
with great opportunities offered to passengers "In-Transit". Can
be used as a transfer point based on 24 hour operations, no
noise rules, modern facilities/amenities/Duty Free etc. Aeropostal
can be the Southwest of Latin America! Only if we get some
priorities upon operating an airline. Let's stay pointing in the
same direction...





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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

But don't expect it soon
How do you know ??


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Let's stay pointing in the same direction...
Yes, please ! No Cuba-adventure, no more "Alas de queseyo" in Hoduras, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Peru. Colombia, Do. Republic etc.
They need to focus on their strenght !


User currently offlineJjjm From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2148 times:

The airport is in the middle of an ambitious plan
of expansion and modernization; so now is a very nice airport
with great opportunities offered to passengers "In-Transit". Can
be used as a transfer point based on 24 hour operations, no
noise rules, modern facilities/amenities/Duty Free etc.

Well let me tell you, i was in CCS this past December, and I took with me 2 friends (an american and a mexican) to visit MY COUNTRY and I was a shame of Maiquetía´s situation.

They have been expanding and motorizing this airport for more that 3 years, and you can´t really see any mayor improvements.

I arrived with Lacsa on a remote position, getting off a full plane by stairs on a rainy afternoon, having to wait for more that 15 minutes because instead of sending 2 o 3 buses to handle the passenger only one bus to make the turn around. No roof or at least umbrellas to cover passengers, children's and worst of all, infants.

The electrical stair to the terminal of course not fuctioning.

The floor, with the old sixties marble design. i do understand carpet was removed when the Vargas situation, but 4 years has passed from this, can they put new carpet or change that horrible floor.

Flights from south america and Europe arriving at the same time, and only 3 immigration agents to handle hundreds of passengers.

In the baggage claim area no sign what so ever on which band your luggage would be on.

Couple of baggage trolleys to take your luggage to the exit, not even because they are now charging for the service it´s even better. Before there was free and there was hundreds of carts all over the place.

The worst is to come.

Because we were 3 guys traveling together, we were asked by a Guardia Nacional to follow him for a revision. We were asked a bunch of silly questions, like, where we were coming from, why 3 guys from different nationality were traveling together, what was the reason of our trip, the made us open all ours bags they search each item on our bags, made us empty all our pockets and made us show them all the money we were carrying. I was so embarrassed.
They had us there for more than an our and made us loose our connection to PMV.

Getting out, all the harassment from dollar changers and taxis....they act like drug dealers. Pretty scary.

After this, the hassle to get to the National terminal (still raining). We waited for 30 minutes for the inter-terminal bus to arrive and it never came.
Wanted to take an official taxi to take us to the terminal and there was none, except for some Taxi Vans that wanted to charge us 50 thousand Bs. for the ride, same fee as if we were going to CCS. Even i was the one making the arrangements, they thought i was a PENDEJO.

Well after having a WET arrival at the National Terminal, had to deal with a RUDE Aeropostal agent, wanting to charge us $100 usd to change each ticket and not allowing us to get on VH next flight to PMV, that was due to depart en half an hour. We explained VH supervisor all what we went thro, their attitude was IT´s WASN´t THEIR FAULT. After a loud complaint the accepted us on the flight with no charge.

Our visit to Margarita was wonderful, my friends had a great time, and they loved the people and the island. This made them forget all the trouble we had at MIQ´s airport, until the return, that was not as bad, but very uncomfortable with those GUARDIA NACIONALES that makes a bunch of silly questions and treat you like a criminal or drug dealer, when entering the checkin area. Not even when i´ve visited Cuba i´ve been treated so bad.

It´s a shame we treat our visitors like this.


Sorry to disappoint you Chiguire, but MIQ is a mess.....my friends even told me, that the airports is the worst airport comparing it to similar airports, they have to.

Great to know that PMV will be renew and that jetways will be introduced. Hope they don't take as long as MIQ.

Hope this changes drastically if we want our beloved Venezuela to be a Tourism Potential.

Visit Margarita the pearl of the Caribbean.

Regards JJJM


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2128 times:

Sorry to disappoint you Chiguire, but MIQ is a mess.....
You do not disappoint me, I know it´s difficult from time to time. I guess Charvett means the new Duty Free and Restaurant areas. The immigration aera, the baggage area and the reception aerea are still a problem. But am am sure they will improve that. One thing that will not improve: the GN !

Nice to hear that yout stay in Margarita was good. I hope you come back !


User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

@Jjjm

Indeed, arriving at CCS can be a complete chaos: I've had some experiences with broken bag carousels, long lines and silly questions. At least they removed that stupid red/green light at the baggage claim exit.

It's amazing how it took around 30 years for them (airport management) to realize that traffic flow at CCS (departures and arrivals) has to be separated.

There are some "minor" changes, however, at the international terminal. I was there back on January 10 and workers had removed all those giant black plastic covers that were hiding the second floor works. I could see some of the new baggage claim area, with some bag carousels (I could count 6 or 7). Don't know if this is old news, so please don't flame me  Smile.



User currently offlineJjjm From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Chiguire, B757200

The worst part of it, is that the last time I was there I felt like the Bus Terminal in Nuevo Circo. I´m sure you all know what I mean.

I´m sure after all Maiquetías remodeling plans are over, it should be one of the best Terminals in South America, just that they are taking so much time to finish it, that when this is over, the airport will be old fashioned again.

They have more than 4 years and they just can finish it.

It´s an Autopista to Oriente (part II)

Caracas deserves and up class Airport and Venezuela a Top Class Airline.

Regards

JJJM


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

There is nothing more to add. The comparison with Circo is very good !
But who could be a first class airline here ? Maybe LAN Venezuela ? But I don´t see it happen. It´s sad.
Coming back to the topic, Mr. Ramiz is now also considering a codeshare with Conviasa, LH or even IB !
How can that work ? Conviasa has no agreements within Europe, LH doesn´t fly to MAD (only via FRA what is really not competitive), IB has everything but is the biggest competitor and flying all the beyond-CCS destinations directly.
The BEST decision would be to go alone. I consider VH strong enough in Spain and Europe as well as on their routes behind CCS and within Venezuela to compete with IB and S3. They should just get a MD11 and go.


User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Exactly. Santa Barbara went alone and launched service to Europe. Aeropostal could do the same. Why bother with another code-share agreement? As Chiguire says, a MD-11 could serve well. Or maybe a 767-300.

25 Jjjm : How many Venezuelan airlines are allowed to fly CCS-MAD?????
26 Post contains images Marambio : Actually it would be interesting to have Aeropostal down here in Buenos Aires. Aerolíneas Argentinas currently is the only operator of the EZE-CCS ro
27 Charvett : JA-JA-JA-JA... El Nuevo Circo! And I thought I was the only one complaining at Maiquetia. Changes are going strong... hoping for the best; but let's m
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