Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
what it the possibilty to get more AA flights to Frankfurt in the next time?
There is enough demand for a Frankfurt - Miami flight on a B.767-300 on a daily basis. There is enough O&D traffic and enough demand for transiting to Central and Southamerica...
After this step, they could profe to reactivate the JFK flight.
It would be great to see AA again with the power out of Frankfurt pre 9/11 when they had all these flights.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
yes that is possible, but the other way the mostly people who live in germany have no problems to travell via the US, also a lot of the hug latin american comunity have passports of an european union country or at least visa for the us.
also the o&d traffic is very strog from germany to florida and last but not least in my opinion a needed conection for the freight to the great AA cargonetwork from MIA to complete south america.
Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4774 times:
packed with german travellers
Yes, that´s because AA is cheap in Germany and has nice connections...but Germans don´t need a visa for ths US. Since the new regulations were implemented in the US American is no option for most of the Latinamerican citizens.
And, even if Germans have a vacation home in Florida, it´s not MIA itself, but the Gulfcoast around RSW. Meaning that they prefer a direct flight.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
i think round aboud 1000 euro for the tix are not really chep.
if the yiel es really rockbottom low, why LH still serve MIA with B744 including first class and also MIA is one of the first candidates for LH to serve with A380? And MIA is really not a hub to south america for Star Alliance.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4680 times:
>if the yiel es really rockbottom low, why LH still serve MIA with B744 including first class and also MIA is one of the first candidates for LH to serve with A380? And MIA is really not a hub to south america for Star Alliance.<
MIA is absolutely not a low yield destination. It is the only high yield airport in Florida.
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MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
MIA is not a low yield destination at all for LH or any other European Carrier for that matter. LH flies daily with 744 from Frankfurt and 3 x weekly w/ A343 from MUC, which is more than enough service for Munich to MIA.
Doubt you will see AA start Frankfurt anytime soon from MIA, you will probaly see another major Euro.City come before that.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4642 times:
yep, i second those statements. FRA-MIA is definitely not low yield, at least it is selling quite well in Business and First. there are plenty of wealthy vacationers that do travel in the upper classes.
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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
FraT, my ticket what's costs nearly 1000 Euro was with connection till BOG.
I have seen many times tickets to MIA from Germany beginning with 320 euro incl. Taxes. Than a ticket price of less than 700 Euro is really not low yield.
Also you can find really cheap tickets from CDG or LHR to MIA with AA under 400 Euro on the direct flights, but this is not a fact that MIA is generally a low yielding market. You know you can find tickets from Europe to maybe NYC or BOS for 250 Euro all inclusive and these markets are generally low yielding? I think not really.
Regarding the importance of MIA for LH, it is totally different story. LH has no connection from MIA, it is the endpoint for most of the travelers. Why was MIA often mentioned for one of there first A-380 LH routes?
AA has a big hub in MIA with many connections to Latin America and the Caribbean.
But ok we will see, we all know that there is not a official planning from AA side for this route. We will see if the future can support this route for AA.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4438 times:
Wow, four daily AA flights into FRA, those were the times.
The problem ist that most Germans prefer to travel on Lufthansa or LTU because they think that these airlines are the "best in the world". This is no joke, I heard from many people that they really believe that Lufthansa and LTU are the best . I guess that most Germany simply prefer to fly on German airlines.
Another problem for AA is that LH has a very good feeder flight network from almost all German airports to FRA (on some routes they even have the monopoly) while all the AA feeder flights from Germany go via LHR (operated by BA). LH has not only an advantage with the feeder flights within Germany but also because they cooperate with so many other Star Alliance airlines on both continents (JK, SK, LO, OS, BD, UA, US) via FRA while AA has practically no feeder flights from other cities in Europe to/from FRA because FRA is not an Oneworld hub.
In the USA they only have their own feeder network to MIA but who wants to connect in MIA on a flight from the North/Northwest/Central USA when they can have better connections via other American cities which are geographically better situated and offer shorter flying times? Maybe they would get a few transit passengers who arrive on LA from South America but as another member already mentioned, the South Americans avoid a transit in the USA because of the strict visa regulations lately.
While we are at connection flights, of course is it an advantage when you have a better connection network within Europe to fill your flights to MIA than v.v. There are more Europeans who travel to MIA than Americans who travel to FRA as their final destination (FRA is not really a connection airport for Oneworld passengers but MIA is a final destination for many Europeans).
I don't believe that AA will start MIA-FRA flights again because the competition from LH/Star Alliance is too big.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
I am looking positiv for a AA flight from FRA to MIA.
For shure AA is interesting to get stronger there MIA hub with conections to Europe. But what city will follow? MAD, LHR, CDG and MAN have AA flights to MIA. Zuerich is conected with the LX code-share. What other Airport than
Frankfurt has the demand for a new AA flight to MIA, we are talking about the strongest continental european Airport. AA station in Frankfurt is still very strong, no GSA for passenger or Cargo traffic.
You all really think AA can not fill up a B767-300 on this route if not to Frankfurt than to no other city in europe.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4342 times:
As much as I would love to see AA back in FRA from MIA, I don't believe that they will open up such a flight anytime soon. I think that they would rather start new flights from JFK to FRA because it is a higher O & D market.
I forgot to add in my post above that a FRA-MIA flight would also cause marketing costs for AA. They need to tell the Germans that there is another airline than LH which serves FRA-MIA. And I guess that still more Germans would fly on LH because it is the airline they know and prefer (how else do you explain that so many passengers are flying on such a shitty airline?).
Furthermore has FRA not a really big catchment area and Oneworld airlines do not offer connection flights within Germany to FRA. I guess that people from the Rhine/Ruhr Area prefer the LT flight from DUS to MIA (or LH via FRA) and people from other areas in Germany also prefer LH via FRA than traveling to FRA on their own costs to fly on AA. Sure, AA could offer a "rail and fly" ticket with a free train ride to FRA, but what would you prefer when you would live in Berlin? A 55 minute connection flight on LH to FRA or a ~4:30 hours lasting train ride before you fly another 10 hours until you reach your final destination?
25 Jr: I flew on AA71 (FRA-DFW) just a couple of weeks back. It was pretty full for a mid week flight - at least 75 to 80% capacity. (On a side note, we depa
26 MAH4546: American Airlines, as stated, did operate MIA-FRA in the past. The problem, however, was that the high-yielding passengers (which are plenty in the Mi
27 N1120A: >(how else do you explain that so many passengers are flying on such a shitty airline?).2 per day JFK with LH 1 per day JFK with SQ 1 per day JFK with
28 FraT: "Surprising how AA only have two flights a day from FRA to MIA and DFW. The AA operate twenty flights a day from London (LHR & LGW) and five flights f
29 PA101: I've always been wondering why AA has a rather poor appearance in Germany. They just serve FRA, and that is from ORD and DFW. So, for everyone flying
30 GodBless: Germany really seems to be left out by AA. I know for sure that they once flew to DUS, did they serve any other routes to Germany? And getting back to
31 Jsnww81: Regarding other American Airlines routes to Germany, for a short while in the early 1990s they did a Chicago O'Hare - Berlin Tegel route. Didn't last