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A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose  
User currently offlineDandy_don From United States of America, joined May 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Recently saw The Aviator and got me to wondering about how the Spruce Goose compares to today's behemoths?

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User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

I just saw The Aviator too. I'm going to go visit the Spruce Goose since it's only 30 miles from my house! From the movie, they said it was over 200 ft long and over 5 stories high. I'm too lazy to look up any of the stats for the A380 and 747...

User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10164 times:

I seriously doubt it was 5 stories high.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10158 times:

BigPhilNYC:

Sucks to be you, then.

Hughes Aircraft H-4 Hercules:
Wingspan: 319'11"
Length: 218'8"
Tail height: 79'4"
Fuselage height: 30ft

Lockheed C-5 Galaxy:
Wingspan: 222.9'
Length: 247.1'
Tail height: 65.1'

Boeing 747-400ER:
Wingspan: 211'5"
Length: 231'10"
Tail height: 63'8"

Airbus A380-800:
Wingspan: 261'10"
Length: 239'6"
Height: 79'1"

Antonov An-124:
Wingspan: 240'5"
Length: 226'3"

Antonov An-225:
Wingspan: 290'
Length: 275'



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10067 times:

Don't forget to include the MTOW's.  Smile

The goose was BIG with that 97.5-meter span, but made of oak and weighed in at 400,000 lbs.

I heard that back then it was the oak that was what made it too heavy for the engines (8x 3500 HP) and its VR was in ground effect and got too high then fell back into the water.

80 feet seems like 6 story building.



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 964 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10045 times:

Some nice color photos of the spruce goose floating in the L.A. harbor can be seen HERE before being moved to the hangar dome adjacent to the Queen Mary.



LD4



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26370 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10011 times:

>Some nice color photos of the spruce goose floating in the L.A. harbor can be seen HERE before being moved to the hangar dome adjacent to the Queen Mary.<

They moved the Herc to Oregon



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

When I was a kid, my family and I took trip to the Queen Mary and the Spruce Goose. Both were giant and scary sites, when we enter the dome where the Spruce Goose was located, I ran out, because it was so big. Take in mind that I was a kid at the time. My father made me come in to take a look at it. I feel bless that I had a chance to see it.

I know this is a little off the subject, but I just wanted to share some memories of the Spruce Goose.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

When I was young, I had also seen the Spruce Goose when it was in Long Beach. That thing is a true behemoth.


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User currently offlineDandy_don From United States of America, joined May 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Thanks for the stats N328KF

So which of these do you consider to be the biggest?


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

I heard that back then it was the oak that was what made it too heavy for the engines (8x 3500 HP) and its VR was in ground effect and got too high then fell back into the water.

So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?


User currently offlineCorocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

It was stated above that the Goose is now in Oregon? Where exactly and is it on display?

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

>>"So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?"<<

Oh no, what you put was exactly what I was saying, that he was taxiing and throttled up and it took off in ground effect. Hughes never flew it again; I'll bet anything all that was needed was a bit more speed to remain up there.

I wonder though, has anyone thought of re-engining that thing just to see if it was still flight worthy?



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

Saw the Goose about a year and a half ago in just outside PDX(Evergreen Museum, I think its called) and although it is an impressive sight, I just felt a little disappointed. I was expecting something a lot bigger. It just seemed smaller when your standing right next to it. But then again, its probably just me, because I have said that many times before. When standing next to or inside a C-5, when standing next to Air Force One last time it was in JAX as well as right next to the AN-124 when it was also stopped in JAX at one point. All those times, even though I stared and admired them, one thought always ran through my mind. "Well, I thought it was bigger than this?"

User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

The Goose (or Hercules) is in McMinnville, Oregon, which is about 30 miles south of PDX at the Evergreen Museum. The Museum worked with the film some to portray the Goose. One of the owners of the museum goes to the same horse stable as my mom. When I'm 18 I might intern at the museum, which the owner said has lots of people in the summer from places like Embry Riddle.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9269 times:

I last saw the Goose at Long Beach, in the mid '80s. I was very impressed. Then you could go inside her. Not much inside except a catwalk to the tail section. The cockpit was very 1940s technology, but hay, it did fly (admittedly in ground effect).

It always amazed me she was made from wood, but so was the RAF's Mosquito twin engine bomber.

The giant steps in technology the WWII generation, of all countries, is something no other generation can duplicate.

Jet engine, jet aircraft, rockets, radar, very large aircraft, battleships, aircraft carriers, nuclear weapons, and the list goes on.


User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9259 times:

I'm more impressed with the spruce goose than any of the others listed just because it was... just cool! I've never been so impressed.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26370 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9257 times:

>So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?<

Nope, he was planning on doing it as soon as he knew he had a headwind



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 964 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Another Great Goose Photo

Check out that wingspan!!!


Incredible that Disney didn't renew the lease for the Spruce Goose when they had the lease for the hangar dome property, apparently considering it to be uninteresting junk.



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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

"The goose was BIG with that 97.5-meter span, but made of oak and weighed in at 400,000 lbs."

The reason it's called the Spruce Goose is because it's made of SPRUCE wood and not OAK! Oak would have been heavier than what it weighs now.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

FYI,

Evergreen Aviation Museum's (in McMinnville, OR) website is:

http://www.sprucegoose.org.

The web-site's home page now shows a frontal view of the Spruce Goose at its current home.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

GuyBetsy:

Or you could say what it's really made of—birch. R. Owen Brewster is the senator that gave it the name "Spruce Goose."



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8785 times:
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Someone mentioned they were not that impressed with it.

It's all relative though, the Spruce Goose was HUGE for its time and therefore was REALLY something to see ... at one point in time.

Its; like when Star Wars came out, it was the best shit on earth.

Now you look at it, and you can see, its just a bunch of muppets.

And in 20 years, we'll look at Armageddon and say it was all Ho Hum special f/x.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2069 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

My grandfather remembers going past the Hughes hanger when it was open on the apparently frequent maintenance days in the 1950s and 60s and seeing the plane. I saw it in Long Beach and it does not look a lot bigger than the hold of a 747 although it probably looked bigger if the you could walk in it.

Does anybody know why the Spruce Goose was kept in flying condition until 1980? Was there some obscure military procurement reason? Was it just Hughes being nuts?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

Mirrodie:

I thought Armageddon was just ho-hum special effects, and that was in the theater.



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User currently offlineCoRocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

I had posted the question about where the Goose was now. By a really, really, strange coincidence I have to go to McMinnville, OR this week for work. I plan to stop by and see it. Now I know to take my camera!

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