Goinv From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15328 times:
Having spent a considerable length of my career working for the railway here in the UK, there were always locomotives that were "quirky" or unreliable. Some would have a reputation with train crews or maintenance people. One or two engines were even renumbered to try and end the bad "aura" or superstition that surrounded them. I also believe some ships have the same problem.
My question is this:- Do airliners suffer similar problems?
Are there any mechanics out there who know of any particular planes that always have problems? Are there any pilots who dread flying a particular registration because of it's quirks? Or, are all planes engineered and maintained to such a high standard, that this never happens?
Does anyone have stories concerning a particluar plane - be it current or past?
I refer to individual members of a fleet not makes / models. I.E.:- A FakeAir 767 (T-FAKE) may be more reliable than a FakeAir 767 (T-LIAR). This is not intended to be a debate as to whether 767's are more reliable than 737's etc.
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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7439 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14921 times:
Last summer, it was quite common for BA to subcharter Titan/Flightline aircraft every day for MAN operations as various members of the based fleet decided that they'd prefer to remain on the ground rarther than go in the air; occasionally there were a couple of subchartered aircraft.
Argonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14592 times:
A slightly different twist to the same thread:
Some airlines appear to have their private superstitions. For example, around 25 years ago, one of Dan-Air's Boeing 727s flew into a mountain on Tenerife; sadly, all souls on board were lost. The particular aircraft was G-BDAN, which, for obvious reasons, the airline had specially registered with those letters.
Years later, BAe leased a BAe 146 to Dan-Air, and, thinking they were paying the airline a compliment, went to the trouble of re-registering the aircraft G-ODAN. Dan-Air coughed politely, then swiftly re-re-registered it. It seems they (or was it the crews?) were squeamish about having another Alpha November in the fleet....especially a Delta Alpha November.
I once heard from a retired BOAC/BA captain why the airline's VC10 registration sequence (G-ARVA to G-ARVM) conspicuously missed out "G-ARVD". The official reason was that "VD" was unseemly, since it stood for "Venereal Disease". The truth was that a previous Victor Delta--G-AOVD, a Britannia 312--had crashed on a post-maintenance check flight with the loss of all the crew, leaving the call-sign letters with "unhappy connotations." I'm inclined to believe the story, because my contact had been with the airline for decades and had flown both the Britannia and the VC10.
Turning the trouble-prone aircraft idea on its head: I recall correspondance in "Flight" magazine some time in the 1960s discussing a particular DC-4 (perhaps a C-54) that had been in service with British United Airways. It seems it flew rather better and with fewer problems than its peers. Its registration happened to be G-APID, so naturally its crews knew it as "Rapid Gapid."
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14529 times:
G-BNLB - Bird Never Leaves Base. One of BAs earlier 744s. I found this out only to later discover I had been on board BNLB on a flight to SFO and we had a two hour delay leaving LHR because of a technical problem!
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14415 times:
Braniff had a DC-8... must have been a -30 series... that was called "little blue." The crews loved it... it had some problems, but nothing that would prevent the flight from leaving. A stewardess friend told me that the coffee pots would NEVER work right, you had to fool with them a lot and hope for the best. BUT- she says the flight crews loved her, because she flew great and never gave any mechanical trouble. As a consequence, she and her peers always hoped to see little blue at the gate for their flights.
RyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14076 times:
Hey there have got to be some United people on this thread that remember Christine, our DC-10-10 N1848U. For the insiders, she was the sole ex-Western series -10 that was overwater equipped with a lower lobe galley, making her a ""PG" series aircraft (as opposed to the overwater "PH" airplanes with main deck galleys and the non-overwater "PP" airplanes). I only worked her once, and the pilots told us to review our evac checklists with extra care because we rolled on departure. Lots of electrical problems and unexplained irregularities.
We retired her in late 1999. Don't miss those 0500 report LAS turns out of ORD that we did with Christine or one of the remaining, very beat up series 30s. In a way they all felt like Christine....
CF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6900 times:
I did a web search for N1848U and came up with the info that it was the last DC-10-10 built. Delivered to UA in late September 1982, it would have arrived after the first 767s came along. I didn't see anything indicating a Western connection with N1848U, and one website indicated the plane left UA for FedEx in 1990. Anyway, good riddance maybe.
RyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
Huh, that is wierd. Maybe I am remembering the reg # wrong. I should go sort through my old flight manuals, because I could easily find the reg# because Christine was an oddball by the time I worked for United. She was the only series 10 that had a lower-lobe galley. That means she came to us after United converted all of the series 10s to main deck galleys, which I believe was in the mid-1980s. By my time, our four remaining -30s (of which I believe 1 was ex-Pan Am and 3 were ex-World Airways) and Christine had the lower lobe galleys. Try N1839U. The rings a bell as well. And I am almost sure Christine was sold to us by Delta after the Western aquisition. I would love to know the answer on this.
PA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
What about the everglades crash, where the co pilot kept re-appearing -- was that Eastern???
Yeah - that was Eastern. They used some surviving spares on other aircraft, and all of these L1011 were believed to get ghost appearences. One particular L1011 - that served later on with DL - got several items for the lower galley, and the legend went on for this particular ac even when it was flying for Delta.
I read a book once, where the author accompanied one DL L1011 for more than a week in the early Nineties, and it was that specific ac. He found out, it had a pretty bad incident in the 80s, I believe in LGA, with parts of the wing being ripped off, but fortunately no casualties. It went on flying for years after its repair.
I could check on the reg, but have to find that book first.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
BN's Calder 727 carried the nickname "sneaky snake". It had originally been in Frontier's fleet and apparently had been handled roughly in their service. There is more info in the book "Flying Colors" and also I believe in some of author/pilot Len Morgan's writings. The bad reputation came from her squirrely handling qualities and the nickname from a snake shaped squiggle on one of her nacelles.