Concorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
Hi, just a quick question regarding CDG.
I've got an hour connection in CDG, but will have been checked all the way through to my final destination in LON.I've got to get from 2F to 2A. I've heard that I shouldn't take the free bus going to the terminals because:
1) I won't be able to find them
2) Some of them don't go to the terminal I need
This is worrying me!
I was told that I should rather walk between 2F and 2A. But isn't that a long walk-someone was saying 30mins! Can't be...can it?
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7083 times:
If you're arriving from the UK and departing to another airport outside the Schengen area, take the airside bus - it may take a bit longer, but you miss the joys of passport control both into and out of France. 2 hours should be plenty.
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7087 times:
CDG is a riot. I flew AF back in November (YYZ-CDG-MUN) and no matter the fact I've transferred through CDG numerous times, the place is still one
delicious, lunatic chaotic nightmare. In short, it's the proverbial 'French Farce'. The scene that greets the weary traveller upon walking outside the doors of Terminals A B C & D reminds me of the congested, chaotic traffic that graces the roundabout avenue in front of Rome's coliseum. I'm not joking.
The secret to not going insane at CDG is to take a deep breath, light a ciggie (if you smoke) exhale, and assess the situation re transfering terminals.
Ah yes, the infamous CDG terminal shuttle. Finding the actual designated stop zone is like playing 'Where's Monsieur Waldo?'. Just when you think you have it nailed down, in respect to where ze autobus stops/picks-up, well, then they KNOW you're onto them.....so they change their strategy. Ah, those French! *wink*. LOL. Seriously, the inter-terminal bus NEVER (at least the times I've been there) stops where it should, and it's a laugh and a half to see scads of pax with baggage run like hell en masse when they sight the bus and literally chase after it! Good luck looking for signs pertaining to this service. But don't fret, all is not lost.
I'm afraid that from 2F to 2A you have no choice but to take the Charles de Gaulle Magical Mystery Tour. Walking it? forget it. Actually, the transfer service is not as bad as I perhaps make it out to be. The buses usually pick-up/drop off at the far ends of the respective terminals, so make for that particular area outside. Just look for 10-20 anxious chain-smoking people with carry-ons, and you'll know you're in the right vicinity.
Note: Le Autobus DOES make a pitstop at each terminal, from what I've seen, so relax, you'll get to terminal 2A.
Re CDG 2A B C & D: I have heard a dark rumour that has been handed down from generation to generation about the legend, the mystery of the secret connecting tunnels that pax may access to transfer between these terminals as opposed to taking the transfer bus. I myself have tried and failed to find these catacombs, yet French archeologists, after years of research and on-site expeditions have now ascertained that they ARE in fact there.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1868 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7045 times:
Flying from non Schengen to non Schengen allows you to take the airside bus.
In this case, 1 hour is more than enough. to have more information, go to the transfer desk at you arrival.(there is one in each arrival zone, before you go through the passport control, indicated in severap languages + the international pictogram showing 2 planes)
Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
Neilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6985 times:
I did a CDG transfer this summer. Thank gosh I allowed 5 hours between flights and not the 1 hour option. I was flying frequent flier miles so on my way back from Prague I had to spend the night in AMS (no problem there with tons of spotting.) So the next morning I took a 6:50am flight from AMS-CDG on KLM arrived at T2F. Now I needed to get to a NW flight at T1. Just the walk from the plane to the bus was a good 15mins. And there were some signs but then you walk down a hall and you don't know to go right or left. So once I made it to the bus it was another 30mins bus ride to T1. Crossing the entire airfield and stopping at each stop sign (I'm not complaining, but I know it is for safety, but just the time part I hated) So we got to T1 and the bus driver was like T1....and opens the doors as I was walking out she's like "what airline" I said "Northwest" she stopped and said...hmmmm...I dunno if they are this Terminal. Who told you to go here? So she than gets the radio out calls some in french and yada yada after 5more minutes shes like yeah it's here. So finally I got to T1. (Which makes the old smith terminal at DTW look like a gem)
So transferring at CDG = BAD!
Other side note: 3 years ago I flew in on Continental into 2A and walked to a Air France flight to Florence in 2F that walk took some time! At that time after a long international flight the last thing I wanted to do was get on some smelly bus crammed with people.
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6898 times:
Ia Orana all...
I see that CDG is still a nightmare for most travellers...
My suggestion is that you should write to ADP, every single one of you and tell them about your experiences...
I know that at Air France whatever we ask for or try to do is a nightmare for us too...
There is a story that was told by one of our trainers while I was attending a purser training course... He told us that AF had requested to have huge clocks about the airports so that customers could know the local time... The reply to AF from ADP's famous architect was that in no way ADP was to put a clock in the terminals because an airport was timeless like travel !!! A real LUNATIC is you ask me !!!
We also started to run into walls when we requested to have arrivals lounge years ago... Guess what ADP offered ??? A small room with a table !!! AF laughed and couldn't believe...
So don't think we have any saying into what goes in the terminal even if we are the prime renter of the facility...
So please, write to ADP, every person you know, be factual, tell them what's wrong and offer solutions if you have any... apart from demolishing the whole site...
Amhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
well this is great to find out! I booked a ticket via CDG cause I had never been there and I didnt want to do LGW. Thought it would be an "adventure" and i could try new spotting. Maybe I should have known when the ADP site sucked ass in trying to understand what airlines were where. My question:
Will it be hard to transfer from AA international to AF inter-Europe flight? I think ive got 3 hours.
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6862 times:
"Will it be hard to transfer from AA international to AF inter-Europe flight? I think ive got 3 hours."
No problem. 3 hours is MORE than plenty to make your connecting AF inter-Europe flight. CDG may be somewhat chaotic, but IMHO anyone who can't find their connecting gate at CDG in 3 hours is not the sharpest tool in the shed, and perhaps shouldn't be travelling alone.
You have plenty of time, especially as your AF connecting flight boarding pass should be issued to you at your point of departure.
Funny, I only noticed the lack of clocks in the terminals on my last trip. I did find it more than a little odd that a major hub like CDG could not provide transiting pax a time reference. Oh well.
Icarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 768 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6849 times:
I do not understand some of the people here complaining about the transfer between CDG2 terminals if they have to walk!!! The walking distance is not that long, and certainly not as long as it could be in some american airports (like O'Hare or Atlanta for example) or european airports (LHR or FRA)
But don't get me wrong :
CDG T1 is ugly and I can't wait to see the renovation over.
CDG in the whole could be a nice airport : the problem is ADP (state owned)
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6805 times:
"I do not understand some of the people here complaining about the transfer between CDG2 terminals if they have to walk!!!"
I see your point, but please bear in mind the fact that proper signage indicating the connecting tunnels (2A B C D) are practically non-existent at CDG, as is ave no idea they can access the tunnels, and the thought of walking AROUND the loop, especially after an overseas flight, is not exactly enticing. CDG can be somewhat disconcerting for the first timer. After transfering at CDG all these years, I only learned of the tunnels from a Frenchman aboard my lastest AF flight. Trust me, I've navigated many airports, but CDG is among the few that takes the cake.....hmmm.....or is the slogan of the ADP: "Let the pax EAT cake!"? *wink*
In all fairness, terminals 2E and 2F are quite spacious and airy. I rather like them both.
Segway: In my personal opinion, Air France Tempo/Economy offers probably the best in-flight service for trans-atlantic service from North America.
Although, can not AF find better TV shows for the IFE than 'Love Boat',
'The Streets of San Francisco' and 'Happy Days'?? LOL.
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6789 times:
I agree that it is an utter nightmare. It gets a bit better should you be able to speak French, otherwise don't expect a very warm welcome Pity, it could possibly Europe's premier hub. It's really sad that 4 out of the 5 largest airports in Europe are horrible, AMS being the only exception.
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6736 times:
"I agree that it is an utter nightmare. It gets a bit better should you be able to speak French, otherwise don't expect a very warm welcome".
So true, I'm afraid. Many (but certainly not all, to be fair) of the AF ground staff look upon non-French speakers as rather bothersome and inferior. I've seen many a non-French speaker/pax rudely brushed off by AF staff, or worse, patronized to their faces, and it really pissed me off. These people are the reason the AF staff are there, the reason they have a job for Christ sake.
Mind you, every airline has em. Air France certainly does not hold the monopoly on apathetic staff.
"Pity, it could possibly Europe's premier hub."
It could indeed, but the time has long passed for the ADP to do a major overhaul at CDG, aside from 2E & F being opened. Terminals A, B, C & D have been hopelessly outdated for quite some time. Even their design/look is archaic, not retro. The more the ADP revamps CDG, the worse it gets. Terminals 2E and F are great, but when the other terminals don't measure up in comparison, then there's a serious problem. There is just no ebb and flow at CDG.
Mind you, as bad as CDG is, there are worse, LHR being the prime example.
"It's really sad that 4 out of the 5 largest airports in Europe are horrible, AMS being the only exception."
AMS gets high marks from me (and countless others) for easy, stress free connections. I also love MUC Franz Joseph Int'l (even though it's not a major hub).Then again, leave it to the wonderful Germans in regards to brilliant organization, overall smooth operations and efficiency.
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6724 times:
"This post is worrying me! I am flying AF LHR to NRT via CDG in March and have a 50 minute connection. I believe the flights operate from the same terminal though, 2F I think."
50 minutes is rather tight, and is barely a legal connection, but if you arrive and connect through 2F you should make your connection. Just pray your
arrival into CDG is on time....and no pee breaks on the way to your connecting gate!
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6722 times:
Ah, CDG. The worst airport I've ever seen, at least the old terminal. I found amazing the fact that to take the shuttle to the train station you have to go from floor 4 to floor 1, nothing wrong with that. The issue is that to get down you have only ONE elevator or lift. Only one for chris sake! It's funny as hell to see lots of people waiting for a little space on the lift. Once you finally get the chance to get down, now it's time to chase the freaking shuttle. CDG is a great way to star a Paris trip if you ask me.
Afay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6673 times:
Unfortunetaly, the great experience I have had on various AF flights does not match the nightmare of CDG. I have only flown on BOS-CDG-SVO routings, and it includes the added chaos of the terminal collapse. The Autobus is nearly impossible. There are no signs anywhere, at not point did the driver ever annouce where we were, it randomly didn't stop at some of the terminals, etc. The terminals themselves, except for the nice one before it collapsed, are dark, smoky, oddly signed, have very few places to sit, etc. etc. etc. Oh, and really really really really rude staff who don't respond to my best please and thank-yous. I am sorry I do not speak French, and apparently they are too. I will say that CDG is heaven compared to SVO....
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6664 times:
well, being a frequent transfer passenger in and out of CDG, I can honestly say its a little hard but once you get used to it, it becomes like a regular walk in the park.
I have transfered in and out of CDG 18 time and will continue to do so in the future. The first time transfering in all airports is hard. The first time I transfered in CDG I almost missed my connecting flight, but AF is so good about these things that they tend to hold the flights.
I can only speak for the new terminals becuase I have never been to the old terminal, but it is way out there at the airport.
I have to say I find ORY and AMS much, much more hard to transfer in. In ORY you have walk in this long walk way for a while and than you come out and than you have to walk outside of the terminal and get onto the monoraill to take you to ORY south, which is a major pain and than you have to check in again for your connecting flight!
At AMS ever corner you turn you have to go through a passport check, which after the thrid time gets really anouying, and also there are so many concourses that it is hard to find the right one!
At CDG I find the bus system really good and trustworthy. I have never done the walk way between buildings.
Ozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2597 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
What a paradox: a horribly run, yet very well designed airport.. It COULD be so good!
I don't think AF is really to blame here, or even their patchy ground staff. How would you like to work under the tyranny of 8 different fiefdoms, all in mortal combat for heaven knows what political supremacy...AKA: ADP "The Beast that does the will of the Beast" If you want a case study in diabolical buracracy, look know futher. I think if we were in the 14th century, Dante would have cited CDG as one his chambers of hell, or at least purgatory!!
The thing is, it needn't be that way. There's nothing wrong with the DESIGN of the airport. It's just run like a third world city (but then so is LHR).
But I digress... To the matter at hand: Transfers...
ii) Read this map VERY carfully http://www.adp.fr/webadp/a_cont01_an.nsf/0/56AA30A1025EE34F4125687E006DC15F/$File/Parc%20CDG_2004_v2.pdf
ii) The shuttles DO work. You just need faith
iii) If you value your luggage, pick it up and re-check it (i.e. allow 90mins). ADP loose around 10% if all luggage transferred at CDG (full stop)
iv) There IS a pedestrian underpass: I've used it a number of times and I THINK it's between 2A-2C to 2B-2D; You may also be able to cross over at the TGV station.
v) Take heart: they are building an inter-terminal shuttle train
vi) Read the signs VERY carefully and STICK to your last sure direction. In my experience, you will arrive at your destination.
And another thing, I know it's a philosphical abstraction at the time, but try to image yourself not speaking English at LHR or JFK or SYD and think what sort of reception you might get, particulary at JFK Immigration (Ahhgg).
Hope this helps.
[Edited 2005-01-31 21:33:09]
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6651 times:
Hmm... strange: the thought of flying through LGW or LHR gives me far more cold shivers down my spine than the thought of transitting through CDG: yes, it can be a bit confusing the first time you're there, but I found the staff quite helpful - but, true, it does help if you speak French.
Still, I wouldn't worry too much: millions of people transfer through CDG each year, and most of them make their connections without problems... or at least without too many problems.
Dstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1351 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6637 times:
CDG is very much best avoided, as others said.
Much better to use AMS, not perfect either but the best of a bad lot (CDG, LHR, AMS or FRA)
Especially avoid CDG 1 which is a run down and very disorganised dump - confused layout, dirty and broken / stained or gum marked seating at the satelites. If you are early at CDG and the check in desk is not open, there is almost no where convenient to sit and wait. Exit doors seem designed by a specialist in designing mazes. Catering facilities there landside are abysmal.
CDG 2 is marginally better. Not improved by the ceiling fall however.
CDG transfer procedures everywhere are confused, to say the least especially for non - Schegen arrivals connecting to a Schengen flight.
It is somewhat better organised than LHR but the frequent strike problems at CDG tend to even things out. The strike may not be at CDG but knock on effects, when passengers are late due to train cancellations and miss flights or other problems it can ruin your day as huge numbers queue ahead of you.
There are very few e check in users at CDG yet, I just noticed LH and one other carrier with them in CDG 1 on Sat.
25 Varig md-11: dear friends I've been working for 5 years @ CDG and all I read is unfortunately true as mentioned before I all blame it on ADP which I hate AF Cabin
26 Amhilde: Well, im very VERY used to LHR, and the walking, nasty terminals, and oddly-placed toilets, so im sure I can handle whatever CDG throws at me. I also
27 PA101: Hi, just a quick question regarding CDG. I've got an hour connection in CDG, but will have been checked all the way through to my final destination in
28 Canadi>nBoy: "CPH is also beautiful and efficient" CPH-Kastrup is a true gem. Wonderful, comfortable airport with superlative shopping and plenty of great cafes of
29 WF2BNN: Last year it took me 15 minutes to get from from the 737 from OSL to the 747 to MIA at CDG, but we landed late - and a airport employee was waiting to
30 Amhilde: Hence why im thrilled to be going back! Many thanks to whomever posted the map upthread... I printed it out and have been studying it- looks easy eno
31 Canadi>nBoy: "So I finally ended up crossing the streets - problem: they have not been designed for crossing, so you end up walking on the side (there are no sidew
32 PA101: You're one brave dude. I contemplated doing the same thing a year or so ago, but given the way motorists drive at CDG (ala Formula 1/Grand Prix) I ele
33 Canadi>nBoy: PA101, roll your eyes all you want, but I've been told by ADP staff that numerous pax over the years have been struck by cars doing exactly what you d
34 PA101: PA101, roll your eyes all you want, but I've been told by ADP staff that numerous pax over the years have been struck by cars doing exactly what you d
35 Canadi>nBoy: PA101, thanks for clarifying. I guess what you did (the walk on the actual road) only serves to illustrate how desperate some pax become in regards to
36 Canadi>nBoy: "As I was walking passed him" Correction: "As I was walking past him". And English is my first language, no?
37 Concorde001: Man, I am now really, REALLY worried! If I walk between 2F and 2A, can I do so by being on airside? Or, do I have to land myself in CDG and then walk
38 Canadi>nBoy: 2F to 2A airside? That's quite the jaunt, give yourself at least 30-35 minutes to make this journey to 2F. Otherwise, take the Mystery Shuttle. Just i
39 EddieDude: I must have been lucky this past summer (Northern Hemisphere) I connected twice in CDG a couple of weeks after the collapse of the new walkway, and I
40 Amhilde: So now apparently there are how many levels to this airport? Im going 2A to 2D- CanadianBoy- you seem to know whats going on, can you give me the seq
41 Qqflyboy: The only joke I found at CDG was the inability to use a foreign credit card to buy Metro tickets at the airport station. Apparently you can purchase t
42 Malaysia: I had to transfer and took bus from terminal to terminal (got a bit confused at first finding right bus stop) Went from Thai Airways arrival to Delta
43 Malaysia: the last time I went through immigration in Paris, it was like 1 minute, very little line, but its kinda cramped in the old terminal. But the male ins
44 WindowSeat: I usually connect through Paris CDG than any other European airport. That too BY CHOICE! But I guess each to his own. cheers
45 Jasepl: I'm with WindowSeat... I would choose to connect through CDG over any other major European airport I've been to - with the exception perhaps of CPH. I
46 Businessboy: This is makin' me very scared in a way. Im flying from SVo to IAh via CDG in April. I arrive 2B and depart 2F, and i have 1 hour and 10 minuttes. Thou
47 SailorOrion: Good to see that someone else like MUC. It's my home airport, and I think the design is rather good. It could still use more intercontinental traffic
48 Lindy: The best airport in Europe connection wise must be BRU, ZRH and AMS. I love those airports and I would transfer at those airports anytime. My worst ai
49 JGPH1A: Re: PS - In my opinion LHR isn't that bad. I kind of like that airport. Don't get me started ! LHR is a NIGHTMARE for transits, it is truly appalling.
50 Longhaulheavy: The only joke I found at CDG was the inability to use a foreign credit card to buy Metro tickets at the airport station. Apparently you can purchase t
51 Sllevin: I've got my first connection through CDG this week; flying SFO-CDG-LHR. Tight connections (an hour), so I'll let everyone know my experience. Steve