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Northwest And The 787/A350  
User currently offlineJetJock22 From United States, joined Jun 2004, 628 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

I read (a few weeks ago now I believe) a post on here about Northwest and whether or not they are going to order the B7E7 or A350. Well here is my question? If the 7E7 is designed to compete with the A330 and the A350 is going to be a slightly larger A330, why would Northwest even bother ordering either plane? They just ordered 8 more A330's, so what sense would it make to order either plane? Just curious.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States, joined Jun 2004, 4155 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4877 times:
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Given that they just ordered 8 more 330s I don't think they'll be ordering wither plane anytime soon. They're still in bad shape (though not as bad as other US majors) so this order is probably a reach for them in terms of finances. In the future when they're in better condition I think they'll order the 787.


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User currently offlineViveLeYHZ From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 194 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Well, to answer your question, you only have to look at their fleet age. NW has 45 DC-10's (21 active) that are over 25 years old. These planes can't fly forever, and hence must be replaced. Their fleet of 319/320/330 has an average age of about 7 years, whereas their 757's are about 11 years old.

My guess NW will be ordering new planes to replace the DC-10's, the planes in question (7E7 and 350) would have seating capacities close to their DC-10's. If NW's recent history of buying Airbuses an indication of their preferences, my guess you will see more 330's and some 350's in NW's future fleet.

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4574 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

They have ordered Boeing's recently as well. They have many new 757-300s that were ordered in 2000 and delivered in the last few years.


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User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Given that they just ordered 8 more 330s I don't think they'll be ordering either plane anytime soon.

The NW A350/B787 proposals remain active despite the A330 order.

User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1253 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

A350 is going to be a slightly larger A330

No it isn't. It is exactly the same size as the 332 and the 333. Tne fuselage has the same size.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 9660 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

I expect NW will order the B787 to replace their DC-10s. A380 at NW? What on earth would NW do with A380s? Replace their DC-9s?


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User currently offlineKeesje From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 8240 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

I think they need somethink to replace the DC10 on the pacific routes / extending the intercontinental pax/ freight network.

Something B787-9 / A350-900 size.

Last one more likely IMO due to higher capasity & fleet commnonality...

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

"I think they need somethink to replace the DC10 on the pacific routes / extending the intercontinental pax/ freight network."

I thought the A332s were already replacing all the DC-10s on the Pacific routes. BTW, NW's A333 seats 298 passengers compared with 273 on the DC-10.

User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

NWA:

Freight Network is the 747-200 Freighter with more on the way. Twelve now 14 soon.

DC10: In the Pacific is being replaced with the A330-200. Ie: SFO and PDX are now both 332's.

Safe Flying  Smile

NWA ordered more 330's last week as it commitment for a near term solution to the DC10's. Both the 350 and 787 are years away from delivery. So time will tell what path NWA will take at that moment.




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User currently offlineDtwclipper From United States, joined Oct 2003, 6607 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Zvezda:

A380 at NW? What on earth would NW do with A380s?

Should NW ever move to the A380, the only place you would see them is between DTW and NRT, perhaps DTW-KIX. But, I don't see it happining IMHO.

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User currently offlineKeesje From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 8240 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

I thought the A332s were already replacing all the DC-10s on the Pacific routes. BTW, NW's A333 seats 298 passengers compared with 273 on the DC-10.

Yes, however the A330-200 has 243 seats, 30 less then the DC10.

So what they probably want is a A330-300 that can do Narita with a heavy cargo load from all over North / West USA:

A350-900 or B787-900


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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States, joined Jun 2000, 2136 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

NWA will announce an order for the A350 within three months.

Nick

User currently offlineGigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13455 posts, RR: 81
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3951 times:


My guess NW will be ordering new planes to replace the DC-10's,


NW has already ordered a plane to replace every single DC-10 in service on a one-for-one basis.

NWA will announce an order for the A350 within three months.

You gotta good source, Nick?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

N

[Edited 2005-02-01 16:45:24]

User currently offlineA350 From Georgia, joined Nov 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Should NW ever move to the A380, the only place you would see them is between DTW and NRT, perhaps DTW-KIX. But, I don't see it happining IMHO.

Remember that Airbus plans an extended range version of the A380 which would well allow NW to fly nonstop to cities like SIN, HKG, BKK, maybe even Delhi. I do not say NW will actually buy them, but they would be able to open some interesting new routes.

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User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

The A359 is most likely indeed, largest capacity and available 2 years earlier than the B789.

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

The A359 is most likely indeed, largest capacity and available 2 years earlier than the B789.

That depends on demand and how soon they need them. Their recent 330 order indicates that both are an option as replacement is not as immediate.

NWA will announce an order for the A350 within three months.

Umm... Yeah... And all the DC-9's will be retired on that same day.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Yes, however the A330-200 has 243 seats, 30 less then the DC10.
So what they probably want is a A330-300 that can do Narita with a heavy cargo load from all over North / West USA: A350-900 or B787-900"


The DC-10 probably has too much capacity for these routes to begin with. The A332 offers the right capacity along with adequate range and the better operating economics.

Perhaps increased cargo capacity isn't a major consideration because NW has a large dedicated cargo operation which services these routes as well?

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 4994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

NWA will announce an order for the A350 within three months.

Nick


I believe it was KLM's CEO that said that if KLM ordered it, so would NW in a joint order, now with talk of KLM getting it, my money is still on the 787


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States, joined May 2004, 3788 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

DC-10's are being replaced by the A330's (international) and 757-300's (domestic).
The A380 can fly in MSP, MEM, DTW, NRT, ICN, BKK, JFK, LAX, SFO, HNL, ANC, AMS, NGO, KIX, PEK, SIN, and HKG (cities that NWA serves currently) around 2008. There could be a possibility that NWA might consider the A380, but I can't really put my finger on it...


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4102 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Nick,
Do you know Burnsie28? He predicted the exact opposite of you, but we never saw that happen. Are you going to give any source for your pediction?

User currently offlineN328KF From United States, joined May 2004, 5306 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Not only that, but Burnsie named an exact date and hour for the announcement.


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User currently offlineRJ111 From United Kingdom (England), joined Sep 2004, 2758 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

believe it was KLM's CEO that said that if KLM ordered it, so would NW in a joint order, now with talk of KLM getting it, my money is still on the 787

Did he say if NW ordered 'it', KL would order the thing too?

And when was there talk of KL getting 'it'?

And also, what plane is 'it'?

Not only that, but Burnsie named an exact date and hour for the announcement.

He did?

[Edited 2005-02-01 18:10:50]


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