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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6076 times:

Hi all,

I just wondered if anybody of you knows, when PA started to use the improved blue-cheatline-livery on their 747s. I recall, in the 70s and early 80s, they had a thinner blue-line, mostly going all the way around the nose, while in the mid 80s, they used a slightly thicker line with a white nose until introducing the big PAN-AM letters.

Would appreciate any answer or comment.

I was also wondering, if any 747 that was used till the end or at least 1990/1991 was left that never got the big-letter-livery.

Greetz
Fritz

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

I was also wondering, if any 747 that was used till the end or at least 1990/1991 was left that never got the big-letter-livery.

I think these photos should answer this part of the question. Other examples to begin understanding when Pan Am's livery changed over the years can be sought by narrowing your photo search to specific years.

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Photo © Axel Juengerich
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Photo © Marc Lehmann



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Photo © Joe Pries - A.T. Team


Cheers.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

I tell yer what, that bottom picture really is a thing of beauty. Shame about the oddball cheatline Pan Am 747 (and the Air China tail), otherwise it would be perfect. I think my Viva La Avrilution desktop ("Things are about to get 'complicated'") is about to become a thing of the past.




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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2016 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5914 times:
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The PA cheatline was changed in the late 70's. Instead of wrapping around the nose, a diagonal cut was introduced. This was done ostensibly to avoid paint mismatches when swapping out the nose/radome section. Just shortly prior to introducing the billboard livery, the cheatlines were widened slightly. I have no information why or what prompted this intermediate change.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26124 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

There were still a handlfull 747s with the blue stripe scheme that had yet to be painted to the Pan Am billboard scheme when the carrier shutdown in 1991.


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

A little before 1991, but still, PA 747s that still had its cheatline:
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Photo © AirNikon






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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5780 times:


Don't quote me on this, but I think it cheatline and Pan Am font size on the letters changed in 1976, with the arrival of the 747SP's.

 Smile LatinPlane




User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5725 times:
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As an aside, I also clearly remeber the experimental schemes that Pan Am applied to 2 B747-100s in the early 1980s before introducing the billboard scheme...

The first had enlarged PanAm titles in blue, with the cheatline lowered to accomodate this. The second scheme had the now familiar billboard PanAm titles in their final size and location, but the cheatline was reatined both fore and aft of the name.

Luckily there are a few photographs of each in the database;

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Photo © Johan Ljungdahl



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Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.
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Photo © Ted Quackenbush


Happy memories of Pan Am - my first Trans-Atlantic flight, Heathrow-Miami in 1988!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Hi guys,

thanks for all your comments and the info!!!  Smile


User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Man, I was there for all that and I don't have any idea what years(s) all this took place. I only remember the first "Billboard" a/c and how embarrassing it looked.

Ed



Ed
User currently offlineCougarAviator From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Seeing those pictures, really makes me miss Pan Am......


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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Seeing those pictures, really makes me miss Pan Am......

Oh, you bet!!!
Too bad Pan Am III is just some strange third-market carrier that'll probably never serve major airports or even Europe...  Crying


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

The PA font changed officially in 1973.

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