Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6439 times:
Baltimore-Washington International Airport may soon become the Thurgood Marshall Baltimore-Washington International Airport if a bill introduced by a Maryland Democratic lawmaker to honor the former Supreme Court justice passes.
JM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1223 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6304 times:
I guess it's okay. but i just know in four years' time they are going to rename it the Thurgood Marshall George W Bush Baltimore Washington International Airport (or Marshall-Bush International for short).
"It's okay to cheat, if you just really don't like to lose."
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19252 posts, RR: 63 Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
FYI, when National was renamed Reagan, they spent about $30,000 replacing signs.
From the article you linked:
When Washington National was renamed Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (search), the airport itself spent about $28,000 to change signs, according to Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority spokeswoman Tara Hamilton.
The Virginia Department of Transportation also had to spend about $30,000 on new signs for that change, said spokeswoman Joan Morris.
It cost about $400,000 for the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (search), Metro, to change all the names on all the pylons and maps, said spokeswoman Taryn McNeil.
That's a TAD more than 30G's
The article also has a lot of misinformation in it, like:
"It will give Thurgood Marshall international recognition. If I check my bags in Beijing, China, the person ticketing them will see Thurgood Marshall on the ticket."
Since tickets now say "Baltimore-Washington" or just "Baltimore, MD", etc., the likelihood of Marshall's name on the ticket is nil, since BWI doesn't need to be distinguished from other airports in the Washington area by name, just as tickets will say you're flying to "Santa Ana, CA", not to "John Wayne, CA" or "Los Angeles-Wayne, CA", etc.
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6240 times:
Sounds great! He is much deserving for something as a airport to be named after him.
Although leave it to WN to look at the negative.
But Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Whitney Eichinger said that any change in the airport code from BWI to a code that included Thurgood Marshall's name would be a major expense for the airline, which is a major operator at the airport. She said that when New Orleans changed the name of its airport to Louis Armstrong (search) the cost was modest because the code did not change.
Typical low cost carrier WN has said this now, god only knows how it will go now.
Re-naming the airport code, how expensive can it get???
This man is a history figure in the United States and the most well known Justice in history.
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 39 Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6235 times:
Call it whatever you want but Atlanta is still "Hartsfield", Miami is still "M-I-A" (not "Wilcox Field" as it is formally named) and Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport is still "F-L-L" or "Lauderdale". This will still be "B-W-I".
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DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19252 posts, RR: 63 Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6209 times:
I didn't include the entire freaking Baltimore Metroplex. Open your eyes and read dude. I'm not gonna quote the entire article.
Dude! It's misleading to claim the cost of something is $30,000 when the article states it's $458,000 for those affected. You didn't have to quote the entire article. I was clarifying it wasn't as cheap as claimed, since it's traditional in these parts for people not to read what's linked.
SonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6034 times:
The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) or METRO as it is more popularly known as around these parts, is the regional MetroRail and MetroBus transit system in the Washington, DC/Maryland/Virginia-area. WMATA incurred those charges in the amount of $400,000+ dollars because they had to change the signage on all of their printed brochures and at the National Airport Station. METRO in fact fought the renaming of the airport to Regan National citing the extreme cost of ordering new name plates and brochures to reflect the new name of the station. So you are wrong when you were trying to prove Joe Nobody wrong. Those numbers depicted for the State of Virginia and whomever else were correct and that's the true cost of what that state had to pay out of pocket. METRO is a transit system entity of it's own and has nothing to due with jurisdiction.
BH From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6039 times:
I dont think they should rename the entire airport. The international pier is dedicated to William Donald Schaeffer and renaming the entire facility will put that in the background. Maybe they should consider the soon to open A-pier after him, Or I think it would be better to name a Court house or other judicial or law related building after him to focus more on what he accomplished I believe that would be more of an honor to him.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3224 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5877 times:
In this era of state and federal deficits, is this really a wise expenditure of taxpayer money? Doesn't matter if it's $30000 or $400000, it's still not a necessity. Perhaps we should officially change the name, but I think the folks pushing for this change should find a way to raise the money to replace signage, etc.
25 PHLBOS: While the airport's name may change, I think most people will still refer to it as BWI; similar to most people still refer to Lehigh Valley Internatio
26 Gigneil: I bet money it would just be referred to by frequent flyers as Thurgood Marshall International.. And I bet money not a single frequent flier ever refe
27 TOLtommy: I agree, nobody will ever call it Thurgood Marshall International. Heck I just cut and pasted that name, rather than type it.
28 PHLBOS: Second, it's best not to change the code - a SAN-MSP could be Lindbergh Field to Lindbergh Terminal. Or possibly Bradley International Terminal to Bra
29 AeroWesty: METRO is a transit system entity of it's own and has nothing to due with jurisdiction. SonicKid: You know, I really couldn't give a rat's ass who owns
30 Lindy: Newark777, You forgot 3: Air Jamaica Icelandair Aer Lingus (they don't fly to BWI in winter) Rafal
31 NYCFlyer: "How about BOS-BIL? Logan Int'l to Logan Int'l." How bout this - when flying DCA to IAH you're flying from Reagan to Bush!! They would never change th
32 PHLBOS: Interestingly, BWI and LAX seem to be the only airports that people refer to by the three-digit code (not counting JFK, cuz that's the guy's initials)
33 N1120A: >I guarantee within a few years it will just be called Marshall, and people will totally forget who it is named after. Sort of like BOS.< It is a litt
34 Tom in NO: Although leave it to WN to look at the negative. But Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Whitney Eichinger said that any change in the airport code from BW
35 N1120A: >WN has legitimate concerns about changing codes, but I don't think the FAA's going to go for it in any case.
36 IAD777: FYI: Mr. States Rights, Local Control, Anti-Federalism New Gingrich forced district of Columbia tax payers to spend 300k changing the Metro signs from
37 Contrails: I am generally opposed to naming airports, buildings, highways, etc. after the dead, and this case is no exception. How about changing the name back t
38 JGPH1A: Who was Thurgood Marshall ? I'm sure it's a nice idea, but airport name changes rarely 'take' in this day and age. Look at Newark "Liberty" - to 99.9%
39 JetBlast: I like the name but it seems a little long. Maybe they could just rename one of the terminals the Thurgood Marshall terminal? I for one like Friendshi
40 7E72004: It will always be known as "baltimore/washington international airport." When i refer to atlanta...i refer to atlanta...washington...i refer to Nation
41 727lover: One possible reason why most travelers, agents and so forth won't refer to LAX as Tom Bradley International Airport is because when one says Bradley,
42 AeroWesty: FYI: Mr. States Rights, Local Control, Anti-Federalism Newt Gingrich forced district of Columbia tax payers to spend 300k ... LOL, that's brilliant. B
43 Leelaw: Why did Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) or METRO need to spend $458K to change all the signage throughout the system when Pres.
44 7E72004: I hope that they do not "rename" IND; that is like renaming Deer Creek (outdoor amphitheatre) Verizon Wireless Music Center...i still refer to it as D
45 UsAirways16bwi: ok thats cool. ill always call it BWI..my home airport.
46 Aa777jr: Would be the third DC Metroplex aiport renamed...Reagan and Dulles were both renamed.
47 N1120A: >Sounds like a porkbarrel project to me.Did they ever hear of stickers?
48 Aa777jr: Why is this such a bad thing? Was their this much negative feedback when IAH got renamed Bush International? Just curious...Thanks.
49 Gigneil: Would be the third DC Metroplex aiport renamed...Reagan and Dulles were both renamed. Dulles has been named Washington Dulles International Airport si
50 Leelaw: "Those end up being more expensive" That's interesting, how? Perhaps Chicago is being faithful to the porkbarrel after all?
51 Iad777: Thanks AeroWesty! Good point! That's why my license plates say "Taxation Without Representation" Leelaw: It's not a porkbarrel project if the DC gover
52 N1120A: >That's interesting, how?< They wear out and have to be replaced. You have to hire people to keep sticking them back on. They become defaced (if you h
53 Gigneil: I think people are missing that Metro is not funded in any meaningful way by the DC Government. Its what sets Metro apart from every other subway in t
54 Aa777jr: Dulles has been named Washington Dulles International Airport since the 60s President Kennedy dedicated it Dulles International in 1962. Legislation r
55 PHLBOS: The airport is named Los Angeles International Airport. The international terminal is named after Tom Bradley...take a look. 727lover, Thanks for the
56 Leelaw: "Instead, he ordered the district to pay, and foot them with the bill." OK, the legislation specifically ordered the transit authority to start with e
57 AeroWesty: Was their (sic) this much negative feedback when IAH got renamed Bush International? Last time I looked this was still a free country, and people were
58 Csavel: IAD777 I thought the Metro still had it as just National Airport. I was there in September and none of the maps had Regan/National. I was actually sur
59 Aa777jr: Westy, So President Reagan ending the Cold War and everything he did for our economy wasn't deserving of renaming National? I do not understand allegi
60 AADC10: Thurgood Marshall - BWI would be a nice balance against Ronald Reagan - DCA. Now if they could only remove John Foster Dulles from the other airport.
61 N1120A: >negative feedback when IAH got renamed Bush International?one has to wonder whether or not there was talk or rumors going around at the time of LAX b
62 Leelaw: "Metro is required to fund and grow out of its own revenue." WOW. Operations and debt service are funded entirely out of the farebox? No other revenue
63 AeroWesty: Kudos to Gigneil for the Answer of the Day
64 IAD777: Gigneil: Couldn't agree you with more. Reagan destroyed our economy, our tax system and our social policies. It will take decades to undo the damage d
65 Gigneil: Metro does receive some small funding from some of the local governments, but its not a significant portion of its budget. The Washingtonian from a mo
66 N1120A: >So President Reagan ending the Cold War< I think Vaclav Havel, Lech Walensa, Boris Yeltsin and many others would like to have a word with you. >and e
67 Leelaw: AADC10: I think you might be mixing up Mr. Dulles's biography with Mr. Forrestal's, the first Secretary of Defense? He only got an aircraft carrier na
68 IAD777: N1120A and Gigneil You guys rock! Im adding you to my respected users menu! Glad at least some people have seen the light
69 AA7573E: Gigneil You should stick to talking about commercial aviation, a subject which you have clearly demonstrated a strong aptitude for through your thousa
70 AeroWesty: AA7573E: I think you're being unfair to Gigneil with your post. I happened to have lived with Reagan as my governor for 8 years, and then eventually a
71 PHLBOS: I recall news articles about interest in changing the name of Dulles Airport a few years ago, but it did not go anywhere. Maybe it can be renamed afte
72 AA7573E: AeroWesty The relevance of your post escapes me. This is not a political forum. What does an ammendment about the legality of gay teachers have to do
73 AeroWesty: This is not a political forum. You're absolutely right, it's not. That's one reason I wondered why you even brought it up to demean Gigneil. Hence the
74 IAD777: It's not a political forum...except that the subjet at hand is intrinscially political. A little political banter here and there (when the subject inv
75 FRAspotter: Yeah I agree, just name it "Thurgood Marshall International Airport" and just leave the Balitimore-Washington part out. Quite a mouth full... Cheers..
76 Kamboi: I absolutely dislike when an airport or a building or a stadium or whatever is to be named after someone that they tend to use a really long name. e.g
77 Leelaw: "San Jose Norman Mineta" Whatever happened to the very prudent policy of only naming public facilities after deceased personages?
78 AeroWesty: Whatever happened to the very prudent policy ... Due to it being the airport in the area from where the Transportation Secretary hailed. One reason pe
79 AussieItaliano: "Side note: over at PHL, the actual name for Terminal A-East is the Richardson Dilworth International Terminal. Should the Eagles win the Superbowl, c
80 PHLBOS: As for the original post, does anyone know if the states have the power to do this, or does renaming airports have to be done on the federal level? In
81 Bwione: The last three letter code change was BWI - from the previous BAL. I believe that its actually IATA that has the final say on three letter code change
82 JetBlueAtJFK: It should stay BWI but if they want to change the name, then ok but keep it BWI and it's ok, in a way. EWR is called basically Newark and BDL, Bradley
83 Gulfstream: TMI sounds like a medical procedure but sounds fine.
84 JetBlueAtJFK: LOL it does, that is why you shouldn't have TIA or even better DIE. They have to see how the code sounds before changing the code too. I don;t think t
85 PHLBOS: While Mr. Marshall was indeed a great American, he really had nothing to do with the airport (other than flying through it occasionally). WWI General
86 Newark777: Does anyone refer to EWR as Liberty??? Actually, it is referred to as that more than you would think. I usually hear it referred to as "Newark Airport
87 Jetjack74: Should the Eagles win the Superbowl, could we see PHL renamed to Donovan McNabb or Terrell Owens Airport???? NOT!" I don't now about that. If they do
88 Gomuppets: As long as the state of Maryland owns BWI, I doubt Washington will be dropped from the name. I believe that Baltimore-Washington Int'l came about when
89 Olympic707: p.s. i miss the name Friendship as well. Kinda goes along with Baltimore's nickname - "Charm City" Me too. If there is going to be a name change, chan
90 Aa777jr: Mr. Burns' bill — which would rename the facility Thurgood Marshall Baltimore-Washington International Airport — enjoys bipartisan support in the
91 Zippyjet: Maybe it's a result of my working middle class upbringing. Could be my first name is Simon and I posses a lot of the wit, cynicism and critical brusqu
92 AeroWesty: So Zippy, you're saying Bette Davis would walk in and say "What a dump"? This is what the Maryland legislature wants to rename to honor Justice Marsha
93 Zippyjet: "Baltimore should certainly retain its individuality as a city, not as a suburb of the District of Columbia. Friendship International is what the airp
94 Contrails: It is kind of hard to get pork in DC, considering they have no national representation I don't think this is the proper forum for posting political id
95 NYCFlyer: politics aside, it's wrong to name a Washington, DC airport after a partisan politician. The DC airport should not be named for someone from one parti
96 Csavel: NYCFirst The big problem I have with naming DCA to Reagan-National is that the locals had no choice in it. And that is why they are resistant to chang
97 AAFLT1871: If they were going to rename BWI then I say at least name it after Marylands most famous and known person. Cal Ripken Baltimore Washington Internation
98 PHLBOS: True, it being Washington DC, the feds give a lot of cash to the airports and the FAA used to run it, (I don't think they still do)... Both DCA and IA
99 RduBE90Pilot: Interestingly, BWI and LAX seem to be the only airports that people refer to by the three-digit code (not counting JFK, cuz that's the guy's initials)