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Significant Market Niche Between The 744 & A388?  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

IMO, it's reasonable to hypothesize that not every 744 (630 delivered to date) will be replaced one for one with an A388 or A389. Is there a significant enough market niche between the 744 & A388, or even the 773ER/A346 & A388, to make the 747-Adv. a profitable proposition for Boeing?

[Edited 2005-02-01 21:24:12]

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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

The gap in size is one point, the gap in trip costs is a different one. Airbus claims the A388's trip costs will be only 15% over those of the 744. As long as the the 747 Adv isn't a miracle plane, it doesn't make sense to give up capacity for so small total savings.

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User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

The gap is there... you need to remember that 15% is a huge sum of money when talking about aircraft in this size category. If an airline doesn't expect to fill an A380, it would much rather save the money. The 747 ADV doesn't need to be a "miracle plane" to fulfill this requirement. the ultimate question is are airlines going to want to keep there options open with a giant A380, or be more conservative with a 747 ADV that better fit their current requirements. I think you will find plenty in both categories.


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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

With the A380, Airbus opened a new segment and a new offering in plane size that it has all to itself. So, for those airlines who need the capacity they will get it.

But a lot of people are writing off the 747/747Adv segment too soon.

Airliners will make the determination whether they need to jump to the A380 size or if the 747 meets their needs for additional capacity. Dw747400 is right - 15% is a lot and a lot more so if it flies 1/3 empty so they will carefully analyze their market and purchase accordingly.

All this business of limited slots at the major hubs means nothing to an airliner who is currently flying midsize 777, 333, and 340 jets. They are not going to automatically jump to the A380 if they require additional capacity... they may want to go with the 747ADV for future growth.

The issue I have is how Boeing is approaching the 747ADV... they should take it more seriously and really make it advanced and decrease the cost further of owning the 747 to make it a leader once again.



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User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

For an airline operating both A380's and 773ER/A346's, i don't think there is a sufficient gap to justify introducing the 744adv too. Flying a A380 and a 773ER alternatively on a route can even the amount out, and it means one less aircraft type in the fleet, which vastly reduces costs.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

"The issue I have is how Boeing is approaching the 747ADV... they should take it more seriously and really make it advanced and decrease the cost further of owning the 747 to make it a leader once again."

Can Boeing profitably tap this market niche without a radical redesign of the 747 or an entirely new design?

[Edited 2005-02-02 13:29:48]

User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1673 times:

I personally believe the proposed 747Adv is sized right. Most airliners have not grown to the point they require 450 3 class airplane - so there is a market for the 747Adv as more people fly... But yes for the 10% of airliners who have outgrown the 747 they will jump onto the A380, and that is fine.

But to call the aircraft Advanced they should really look into new materials (does not have to be composites), FBW, modern/efficient wing design, 777/787 commonality, bleedless systems/engines, and so on... a lot like what the 787 will have except for a composite fusealage - incorporate all that in the 747Adv... But of course, all this will cost money and wont be ready for untill 2012 or after that...

So yes, My hope is that Boeing works on a 'somewhat' new advanced 747 aircraft...



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