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Crazy Landing At LGA  
User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15074 times:

Just saw this clip at www.flightlevel350.com today.

http://www1.flightlevel350.com/~admin1/photos/74/1106992701.wmv

Does this sort of approaches happen often at LGA? I wonder what the passengers onboard where thinking? I would have loved to be a passenger on that Delta 737.

Any thoughts?

Mischa.


ARNiboy
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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14849 times:

Awesome film. That looks like an approach to 31 with a strong left base over Shea Stadium. If you look closely, you'll see a departure lifting off the far end of the runway. What the arrival was doing was completing a "S" turn for spacing so that there wouldn't be 2 a/c on the same runway at the same time. I've seen the same thing at DCA on 18 which is a hell of an approach without the additional turns.

Rgds,
ED



Ed
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14816 times:

thats the video on nycaviation.com

great stuff, love the expressway visual into LGA



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14753 times:

that thing looked like it was going to "land" at the gate!


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User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14725 times:

Probably happens 10-15 times a week minumum @ LGA especially on 4 & 22 where "S" patterns are a way of life.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14696 times:

"This is Delta Flight 222...next stop...the economy lot...."


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14653 times:
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much respect to BigPhilNYC for braving the elements for such a unique clip.


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User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14624 times:

Looks like some of my landings when I'm playing around with FS2004. I land sideways in heavy crosswinds.

User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14462 times:

"Today our gate/runway assignment is inside the terminal, because we want to be in the action"lol. That was a big turn and a bad angled landing. Looks like when you land with crosswind.

jetBlueAtJFK



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User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14444 times:

You want to experience a landing better than that. Try the river visual at DCA. By far the best out there!


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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14373 times:

As I said throw in a turn for spacing while conducting a river visual. That's flying.

Ed



Ed
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

[Edit: OK this post is meaningless because apparently the video isn't available for public viewing yet. The administrator privilege is in effect.]

Better link:
http://www.flightlevel350.com/picwindow.php?cat=74&pic1851

The one listed above is an administrator link.

[Edited 2005-02-01 23:42:39]


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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14198 times:

Yeah great video- It's always fun to watch airliners maneuver around like their baby cousins.


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User currently offlineDeltaamtrak058 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14177 times:

If you look at this landing chart of the expressway visual rwy 31

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0501/00289EXPRESSWAY_VIS31.PDF

it requires you make a hard "jughandle" turn into the rwy....but cool apch. though!



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13620 times:

special task!

thanks for sharing




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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Very nice..... God I miss Kai Tak.

User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12765 times:

I once saw an AA MD-80 used the entire runway and didn't rotate til just before the big white blocks at the end of #4 on top of 22 and there was some tailwind on that day.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12447 times:

What a turn!!!

And I guess there was quite a lot of side-winds. But he made that steep right turn at the end.



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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

That was a cool video - hats off to Phil. It's amazing that the pilot was able to still make the landing, although it didn't look to be especially soft. The Expressway Visual to 31 is a hell of an approach. I got to go for a ride on the Expressway Visual last June on one of AA's MD-80's and it was awesome. We didn't have to do any S-turns but the pilot sure banked the airplane over to get it onto the final approach course.

TW



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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

By no means is this a normal landing for Expressway Visual 31. Generally, landing aircraft are lined up for finals at least a mile from the threshold, but as my friend Phil mentions in the description (which you can't see in the links above):

This plane coming in on Expressway Visual 31 was instructed to execute an S-turn due to departing traffic, and he came in very off-center. One of my wildest clips, for a second I didn't think he was going to make it.

You can visit Phil's site at www.nycaviation.com for more nice videos and NYC-area spotting info.


User currently offlineWF2BNN From Norway, joined Dec 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11205 times:

I just showed the clip to a friend, she replayed:

"is that the new super jumbo you told me about?"

My God, Joe and Jane don't know much about aviation...  Big thumbs up

Then again, I don't know much about a lot of things...

Mats



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Hey guys,

Glad you all enjoyed my clip. Heck, I've had that posted in an old aviaiton newsletter i ran and once on the forusm here and it never got attention. Last I looked it had over 4,500 views on flightlevel350.com. lol

Just to clarify, this is NOT a normal approach to 31. I've seen many crosswind landings, but never like that. That approach was crazy. In more detail:

At about the 3 second mark, planes are usually coming in straight at me already. In fact, they often come in if not directly over my head, a little to the left, this plane was on the right side. Because I was expecting him to be on the left side, I was facing the wrong way and at the 20 second mark, you see a blatant shake which is me turning my body around to face the plane.

I got more and more nervous as he came in, and I was waiting for him to called missed and try again but he just kept going. I wasn't using a tripod or anything, and at one point I really thought I was about to see a crash and I wanted to keep it as steady as I could, no shakes from being shocked, so the FAA could use my footage for their investigation. That's how concerned I was. lol A bit much I know.

I can only imagine what it was like to be a passenger on that flight. Wow.

I'd also like to thank everyone for mentioning my website. I have other videos on there, and a lot more to come, many to flightlevel350.com also.

Take care folks.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

Is this approach similar to the river visual at DCA?
I have landed in DCA once and was pretty amazing. I congratulated the pilots when about to leave the a/c and the Captain told me: " The closest you will get to landing on an a/c carrier".  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

Updated link to the video for you folks:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/picwindow.php?cat=74&pic=1851



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJumboJet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

I've seen that approach hundreds of times, living near LGA. I've even intentionally booked flights from LGA to DCA and back on the same day when I've known LGA is using the expressway appr. to 3-1.

Amazing video. I've watched it numerous times in the last 5 minutes.

steve


25 Post contains images Redngold : Very nice, Phil, very nice. The pilot did a great job of landing that sucker, too. But I admit if I was a passenger on that plane I might have been a
26 Clipper002 : Phil, Didn't take notice of the "flightlevel350.com" sight before. Thanks for the great footage and the knowledge of LGA. The only reason I was able t
27 Clipper002 : My son (GroundStop) and I were watching arrivals at DCA about 5 years ago at Gravely Park. This is just off the leading edge of 18 and the "River appr
28 Lowrider : Not crazy, just New York Normal. That is the sort of think you get paid for.
29 Foxecho : Hey Phil dude- awesome site you have, first time I had seen it.. keep up the good work man....hope you are doing well Andrew JFK/MEM/MCI
30 KALB : That was one heck of an approach and landing. In addition to the "s" turn, there seemed to be good crosswind which necessitated a crabbed landing. I w
31 San747 : I've never seen a landing into LGA that went like that! It was crazy and that's what made it so sweet! Can make an hour flight from BOS or DCA, where
32 Post contains images KAUST : Kind of reminds me of my harrowing turn into the end of my driveway The house is currently having construction on it and the street/driveway tend to b
33 FlyMKG : Does anybody have a copy of the video or know where I can get a copy of the video that Clipper002 describes? I would love to see that! FlyMKG
34 San747 : KAUST: And to be yet even more on the subject, as also a huge baseball fan, I'd love to get an upper deck seat some day at Shea and watch those planes
35 Post contains images KAUST : Haha San...as long as they won Exactly how close to the stadium do they come? I had once heard that in poor weather conditions an airliner (nearly I a
36 San747 : They come fairly close, when they take off that direction, you can see their shadows for a split second... When we park on the street nearby (why pay
37 Clipper002 : The film at DCA was shot by amateur photographers that happened to be there at the time. You can try and contact some of the DC TV stations to see if
38 ATLhomeCMH : Great video, Phil. Welcome to my respected users list. I have to admit, I've never quite been in an approach like that before. My LGA approaches haven
39 MD88Captain : Great video. They screwed it up. A strong left to right crosswind on the Expressway Visual 31 will make you overshoot final as you make the turn aroun
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