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MP 767 Replacement  
User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Is MP planning on replacing their 767 fleet anytime soon ?
The oldest one they have is approaching 15 yrs now.

Just a thought........Since KL owns MP and is going to fly the A330, and MP is flying the A320 now, will the A330/A350 be a candidate to replace the MP 767's in the (near) future?



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

That's a good question Junior1970. Martinair's 767s are getting old, but I don't think Martinair will replace their 767s anytime soon. They will be flying around for a while I think. KLM doesn't own Martinair, they only have a major stake in the airline (49%?) but they're not 100% owned by KLM.

Martinair is one of those airlines I do not know which direction they will go for their future fleet replacement. It could be Boeing, it could be Airbus. I just don't know. The only thing I know is that they are investing in their cargo fleet with the second hand 747-400s they plan on acquiring and converting to full freighters. Cargo operations are an important factor in their operations. It wouldn't surprise me that cargo operations are their most important source of income. It just keeps growing.

A388


User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Thanks A388, I was mistaken with HV. KL owns them, or at least 80% of them.

Speaking about MP's cargo activities. You might be able to answer that as well for me. Some time ago I heard that KL wanted to acquire MP and make it the cargo division of KL. Could just be rumours though.
But since KL ha bought 3 brand new freighters themselves, I think that's not going to happen.

When will MP start flying the 744 converted freigters ? And why doesn't MP buy more MD11 freighter since they are so profitable ?

It certainly would be interesting to see in due time what MP is going to replace their 767 fleet with.



User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

That's news to me, I wasn't aware KLM wanted to take over Martinair and make them their cargo division. So I can't help you there. What I've seen in this forum, Martinair will start receiving their first converted 744 somewhere in 2005 or 2006. It would be logical if Martinair would acquire more MD11 freighter but I don't know the reason why they opted for the 744F. Probably because of its range and slightly larger cargo capacity. The 744F will replace Martinair's 747-300SF and 747-200F aircraft and will also add more cargo capacity, as 5 747-400Fs will give Martinair more cargo capacity then the 4 747 Classics they will be replacing.

Also, the ability to load oversized cargo through the 747 nose, may have played a part in Martinair's decision to buy 747Fs instead of the MD11. From my work, I often see Martinair's 747s being loaded through the nose, so they really make use of that. Martinair is probably more interested in these noseloaders.

I agree with you, it certainly will be interesting to see what aircraft will replace Martinair's 767 feet Big grin

A388  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

A388:
I don´t think that the B744SF will have a nose-door. That is a feature only on newly delivered B744F.
Correct me if I´m wrong.

KA.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Hi Ka,

You are probably right. I'm not sure if a nose door is an option on the 744SF but it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't. I forgot about that, my mistake. Thanks for the correction  Smile

A388


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Some years ago, even before the merger between Air France and KLM, KLM tried to buy the remaining shares from Nedlloyd, who owes the other half of Martinair. However, the Dutch cartel watchdog, NMA, prevented this.

It was sort of true that Martinair would become an all-cargo carrier, under it's own name.

But that is all in the past. Martinair is waiting for the B767 replacement until KLM's experiences with the A330 are more clear. Martinair and KLM have always had a good relationship and learn from each other, as will be the case now.

It is said that Martinair wants to replace the pax MD-11's and B767 at the same time, converting their MD-11 to full freighters.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

It is said that Martinair wants to replace the pax MD-11's and B767 at the same time, converting their MD-11 to full freighters.

Cheers!


they don't have to convert 4 of the 7 MD-11's wich are capable to fly pax and cargo (combi's) , and i don't see MP ordering a Real MD-11 replacement, since Only 2 MD-11's fly PAX in the summer.

I could see the 767 getting replaced by A330/A350/787 , but that will be after all 747 classics are gone.

Also i think they will drop the A320 leases, since it isn't really theire market, they are actually already looking in the USA if they could base A320's there, and if that would work well with the 737, they will replace it with A320's!


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

I know the MD-11's are combi and that only 2 fly passengers during the summer season. However, they want to transform the planes into full freighters, but when they do, they will probably sell their pax-interiors for the planes and therefore loose the possibility to deploy a spare pax-craft.

So, Martinair will need to replace a certain amount of the MD-11's for pax-flights.

Also i think they will drop the A320 leases, since it isn't really theire market, they are actually already looking in the USA if they could base A320's there, and if that would work well with the 737, they will replace it with A320's!

It's going to be their thing again. With the demise of Dutchbird and probably the Exel Aviation Group, Martinair will jump in the gap. Transavia can't fill the need by itself, therefore I would not be surprised if Martinair will expand in the European service.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

It's going to be their thing again. With the demise of Dutchbird and probably the Exel Aviation Group, Martinair will jump in the gap. Transavia can't fill the need by itself, therefore I would not be surprised if Martinair will expand in the European service.

Cheers


HV has enough 737's left.... look at howmuch they lease out to other airlines!


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

HV has enough 737's left.... look at howmuch they lease out to other airlines!

That's only during the winterseason. This summer, the fleet will be back at full strenght and that's not including any Dutchbird flights...

Cheers!



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