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User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 214 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 2452 times:

CAN A 757-300 GET AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN AND OUT OF SNA OR DCA SAFELY? IT SEAMS THAT 757-200 AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN GET THE BACK WHEELS OFF THE GROUND WITH ABOUT 2000 FEET OF RUNWAY LEFT AT SNA . I THINK SNA'S RUNWAY 19R IS ABOUT 6000' LONG.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

>AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN A 757-300 GET AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN AND OUT OF SNA OR DCA SAFELY? IT SEAMS THAT 757-200 AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN GET THE BACK WHEELS OFF THE GROUND WITH ABOUT 2000 FEET OF RUNWAY LEFT AT SNA . I THINK SNA'S RUNWAY 19R IS ABOUT 6000' LONG.<

Please turn your caps off. The main at SNA is 5700', 1/19 at DCA is 6870 feet. Both can launch a 753, which has about the same run as a 737. Also, considering that DL will be flying 767s from BUR, a 753 out of a runway about the same length at DCA is no problem.



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

SNA 19R/1L is 5700 ft. in length.

Don't know if a 753 can get in or out of there.



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Also, considering that DL will be flying 767s from BUR

When will this be? If any equipment change this route will become a 738 by June.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Fed Ex flies A310's into John Wayne all the time. In fact one time I saw them fly in an A300. Granted it probably wasn't flying in, or out, with a full load. So I would imagine that a 757-300 could get in as well.

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

According to their website delta will fly a 767 out of burbank.

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

The Delta press release says it will be a 757 out of BUR.
http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9390

I doubt that Delta would allocate a 767 to BUR because it does not really have the facilities (not enough passenger screening facilities, waiting room areas, airline lounges or cargo facilities) or demand. Considering that some Southwest 737s required a fuel stop after departing BUR when taking off to the north, a 767 would have to be mostly empty to get out of there.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Also, DCA can handle aircraft up to the 762, though no airline has flown one in yet. So the 753 would be no problem. I have heard on here that ATA has flown the 753 in to DCA, though I have not seen it for myself yet.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

My thoughts: a 762 at DCA? I'll say nope - never will. Not even 753 - maybe, who knows.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2149 times:
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SNA 19R/1L is 5700 ft. in length.

Don't know if a 753 can get in or out of there.


Full of pax and fuel I would say no.

My thoughts: a 762 at DCA? I'll say nope - never will. Not even 753 - maybe, who knows.


753's already fly there I believe.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Would someone please translate the original question? I'm getting a headache trying to read it. Thanks.

Mark


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

My thoughts: a 762 at DCA? I'll say nope - never will. Not even 753 - maybe, who knows.

It can be done and approved, but once again as I stated no airline has opted a 762 on that route. I always thought DL would be the best option of seeing that happen. The biggest plane DCA has seen was the UA DC-10 back in 98 or so.

Would someone please translate the original question? I'm getting a headache trying to read it. Thanks.

Basically what he is asking is can DCA or SNA handle a 753 aircraft. Due to their somewhat short runways is their enough room for them to reach V 1 and rotate safely. The answer to both is yes.

Take note, do not type in all caps locks.





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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

If delta is going to bring in a 757 witch gate are they going to use? Are the gates big enough?

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Delta along with Skywest will be utilizing B4.


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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Anywho getting back on topic, I think it would be a tight fit but the 757 could make it out of both airports.

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

The 757 does fly out of both airports several times a day.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

The biggest plane DCA has seen was the UA DC-10 back in 98 or so.

Yup, I was there . . . . tstrms everywhere. Pilot made some bad calls as it turned out and had no place he could go but DCA. There was another thread here a few months ago about that. IAD, BWI, ADW all down for wx, and this DC-10 was way low on gas . . . so DCA it was . . .


User currently offlineFutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

The quick answer to the posted question is; easily.

It is not the size of the aircraft. It is the power to wheight ratio and the airspeed required to generate enough lift over the airfoil. So the question would be how much a 753 out of SNA (or DCA) would be wheight restricted. Meaning a cap on fuel and or pax. Limiting one in range and or payload. Unfortanately I can't answer that because I dont have access to 753 performance data.

I can remember watching in 1989/1990 a HP 747 departing out of PHX. I would have been only 9 years old at the time but I still remember vividly. Anyway HP was still operating out of terminal 3 in PHX. I was watching aircraft departing to the west on runway 26L (or was it rnwy 25 at the time?). HP 737-300s (at the time I also knew the difference between a 200/300) were not airborne until passing west of the terminal. But a HP 747 was wheels up before being abeam the terminal 3's main south concourse. Could not have been more than 4000ft of rnwy used. So the 74 was obviously headed to vegas. Very light fuel load. And more recently the same could have been said about the perfomance of the BA 747s doing the PHX-SAN hops(before anybody calls me a lair on that, BA discountinued that route in 2001.). Put any 757 takeoff I've ever seen to shame.

John




User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

DCA can handle up to a 767-300 if need be. There are only a few gates with enough wing width to accomodate them. In other words, if AA scheduled a 767-300 into DCA, there wouldn't be much opposition from MWA, however, it would hinder the efficiency of ground operations there. Refer to my post on a previous thread regarding heavies at DCA: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1892697/6/.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Also, I forgot to mention that at one point, for about a month or so, Eastern used an A300 into/out of DCA on their shuttle services, albiet a trial run.

User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

The problem with a 753 at SNA would likely be parking. At a gate, it'll probably stick out too far into the taxiway.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Kohflot:

Parking would be a problem. The only gate you could park it would be gate14 which is at the end of the terminal.


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