Basically the much rumored DXB-BKK-SYD flight has been confirmed to start from March 29th with a B 777-300 in 3 class configuration.
Initially operating on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, the airline will increase this to a daily service from 1st May.
On 1st May, the new Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney daily service will also be extended to Auckland in New Zealand, replacing the current Dubai-Sydney-Auckland daily service which will then terminate in Sydney. This move opens up new connections between Bangkok and Sydney, and Bangkok and Auckland.
Emirates will fly its Boeing 777-300 aircraft in three-class configuration on the Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney-Auckland route, offering 18, 42 and 320 seats in first, business and economy classes respectively, plus 23 tonnes of bellyhold space for cargo.
The new service will increase Emirates’ flights between Dubai and Bangkok from twice daily to three-a-day by May. It will also add to the airline’s current daily non-stop service between Dubai and Sydney, bringing the total number of Sydney flights to twice-daily. Emirates will continue to fly to Auckland thrice daily.
EK418 will depart Dubai International Airport at 09:00hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 18:10hrs, before flying onward to Australia at 19:50hrs, to land in Sydney at 07:45hrs the next day. From 1 May, the service will extend to Auckland in New Zealand, departing Sydney at 09:15hrs and arriving in Auckland at 15:15hrs.
Return flight EK 419 will take off from Sydney at 18:45hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 01:00hrs the next morning. The flight will then depart Bangkok at 02:30hrs to arrive in Dubai at 05:35hrs on the same day. From 1 May, the return service will start in Auckland, departing 15:50hrs and arriving in Sydney at 17:15hrs.
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5863 times:
This means the daily DXB-SYD-AKL A345 service will now terminate in SYD.
Seems a bit bizarre as EK normally extend all their flights to NZ instead of keeping them on the ground in Australia for 6-8 hours.
I thought maybe they would operate one of these SYD services onwards to CHC, as well as keeping the currency DXB-SYD-AKL operation.
So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route. I always thought they would keep the AKL-SYD-DXB service as most NZ pax would take this to connect elsewhere on the Emirates network.(2 stops instead of 3)
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5784 times:
So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route.
One could always change planes in Sydney or Melbourne and go for the nonstopper from there, thereby avoiding the extra stopover on Bangkok resp. Singapore. In both cases, this routing would allow the passenger to reach Dubai within half an hour of the one-stop flight.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4656 posts, RR: 43 Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5722 times:
Aerorobnz...these are the non ER B 777-300s flying on this route. EKs 3 class B 773s always had 380 seats and I hope that the new B 773ERs have a better F and J class cabin thus reducing capacity on board to make way for the bigger seats etc.
And yes you can fly from AKL to SYD and MEL and change planes there for the nonstop DXB flight if you dont want a BKK stopover enroute to Asia. Africa and EU/UK.
Aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6745 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5566 times:
Behramjee, yeah you could transfer at SYD/MEL but that's too much hassle for what you previously had to do. I don't know about the transit times either. EK fares are marginally cheaper than the others most of the time but not enough to justify the dog-leg routing.
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
I am really intrigued to know if EK will keep the A345 sitting on the ground at SYD for around 9 hours before it returns to Dubai. Seems very unlike them to do this.
It would certainly be a hassle to transfer at SYD/MEL and then DXB again just to stay with EK. A same plane connection through to the hub is a lot more appealing. I know that EK would send pax from AKL bound for Europe on the SYD flight as first preference, but now it looks like SQ or CX, non-stop via their respective hubs will be much easier.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 74 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
I guess that Emirates will eventually go non-stop to AKL. As said before, they are lagging behin many other airlines in the Europe-New Zealand market with their hoppidi scoppidy milkruns out of AKL. Strangely enough, CHC is faring better than AKL, with its one-stop connection to DXB.
Elephantboy From Thailand, joined Sep 2003, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5114 times:
The New Bangkok International Airport (Suvarnabhumi Airport) was scheduled to be operational in Sep. this year. But we are quite sure that it will not be able to meet the target. Most likely that it will be ready by middle of next year.
EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4952 times:
I flew DXB-SYD in Nov last year, the transit passengers who were continuing onto AKL still had to leave the aircraft and go to the transit lounge. So if you do take the direct DXB-SYD flight and then pick up the 773 SYD-AKL you won't be incurring any extra hassle other than 1 hour extra on the ground. As you are continuing on EK your luggage will be through checked and there should be no reason why you shouldn't have your boarding card issued at your point of origin.
As for what will happen to the A345 during the day...your guess is as good as mine...some point down the line it may well continue on to CHC or even commence the much waited ADL route which would then operate DXB-SYD-ADL-SYD-DXB, this would enable EK to open another route without the need of an extra aircraft.
OHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4854 times:
I believe EK is not allowed to transport domestic pax within Australia, them being a non-Australian airline. And I don´t think pax loads on DXB-ADL would justify continuing the DXB-SYD for another sector.
EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4831 times:
Don't be surprised with ADL not justifying a service, who would have thought AKL would get 3 daily services?! you have to remember that EK is an airline that starts routes on profile not demand. The demand comes second as they believe given time the demand will come. I'm also sure ADL would justify a service more than CHC! As for carrying traffic between points within Oz I didn't mean passengers would be able to purchase tickets between the two points. JL used to operate BNE-MEL if I remember right, and they are not a Australian carrier!
AMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
When the new flight arrives at 15:15 and the return flight leaves at 15:50, I guess that both will not be performed with the same plane. Then there will be a plane sitting on the ground at AKL for over 24 hours! Or do they have one of the other two flights using B773ER?
If AKL still gets thirce daily flights then one of the current flights should be suspended. Which one?
Their flight schedules on their site do not reflect the new flights yet.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4668 times:
Wait for Australia to Brazil.
Expect EK A345 to go onto SYD-CHC when they have rights to GRU. They don't want to waste too much time just serving CHC.
The best strategy to serve Sydney and Melbourne and New Zealand to South America is via CHC not AKL. Talk about stuff LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas in one shot.
take your pick
flights would combined at CHC. The CHC market in it's own right is of little relevance.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2554 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
Why even bother with CHC? I'm sure the A345 could do SYD-South america in one go.
And it is hardly THAT competitive with Lan and Aerolineas. Who in their right mind would fly down to CHC from AKL on another carrier to only then link up to EK? Plus, it misses out on any Queensland/SE ASian (bar Singapore) originating or destined traffic, as it all goes through Auckland at the moment.
CHC can be a destination in its own right, far more so than ADL. While NZ's South Island is regularly rated as a top-5 destination for travellers, South Australia never gets a mention.
25 Aerorobnz: "How large is the Europe-NZ market? Its not that huge, and it is price sensitive. If EK price their product below SQ or QF or BA, they will do well."
26 Aerorobnz: Sth America through CHC seems a bit far fetched. Especially with a 345 at hand.
27 RichardJF: Aerokiwi- The higher yielding markets from Sydney and Melbourne are far more important than Brisbane and Auckland. You could go direct however. SYD-SC
28 RichardJF: I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market. They would be thinking Australia to the UK/Europe, Australia
29 Aerorobnz: "I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market." You're right, they are doing it to reduce the time on the
30 RichardJF: Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has
31 TG992: Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has
32 Behramjee: Its surprising that airlines such as QF, SQ and CX with higher labor costs and a much better all round inflight and preflight product than TG is $ 200
33 TG992: Ever since NZ citizens have had to clear LAX for transit purposes enroute to LHR, have many switched flying on ANZ to LHR via LAX and gone instead to
34 Aerorobnz: TG992 - no doubt them looking at South America is the same as them looking at the viability of KKE-SYD flights.... I've also heard about the NZ1/2 via