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Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4801 posts, RR: 44
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

From : http://www.emirates.com/AboutEmirates/EmiratesNews/Headlines/sydneyflt.asp

Basically the much rumored DXB-BKK-SYD flight has been confirmed to start from March 29th with a B 777-300 in 3 class configuration.

Initially operating on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, the airline will increase this to a daily service from 1st May.

On 1st May, the new Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney daily service will also be extended to Auckland in New Zealand, replacing the current Dubai-Sydney-Auckland daily service which will then terminate in Sydney. This move opens up new connections between Bangkok and Sydney, and Bangkok and Auckland.

Emirates will fly its Boeing 777-300 aircraft in three-class configuration on the Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney-Auckland route, offering 18, 42 and 320 seats in first, business and economy classes respectively, plus 23 tonnes of bellyhold space for cargo.

The new service will increase Emirates’ flights between Dubai and Bangkok from twice daily to three-a-day by May. It will also add to the airline’s current daily non-stop service between Dubai and Sydney, bringing the total number of Sydney flights to twice-daily. Emirates will continue to fly to Auckland thrice daily.

EK418 will depart Dubai International Airport at 09:00hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 18:10hrs, before flying onward to Australia at 19:50hrs, to land in Sydney at 07:45hrs the next day. From 1 May, the service will extend to Auckland in New Zealand, departing Sydney at 09:15hrs and arriving in Auckland at 15:15hrs.

Return flight EK 419 will take off from Sydney at 18:45hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 01:00hrs the next morning. The flight will then depart Bangkok at 02:30hrs to arrive in Dubai at 05:35hrs on the same day. From 1 May, the return service will start in Auckland, departing 15:50hrs and arriving in Sydney at 17:15hrs.

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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

This means the daily DXB-SYD-AKL A345 service will now terminate in SYD.
Seems a bit bizarre as EK normally extend all their flights to NZ instead of keeping them on the ground in Australia for 6-8 hours.
I thought maybe they would operate one of these SYD services onwards to CHC, as well as keeping the currency DXB-SYD-AKL operation.
So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route. I always thought they would keep the AKL-SYD-DXB service as most NZ pax would take this to connect elsewhere on the Emirates network.(2 stops instead of 3)



User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

That makes EK even less attractive from Europe to NZ!

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

Yes JoFMO I agree. The 345 Direct service was the only EK flight I would have considered using to Europe instead of SQ/TG etc. Hopefully these 773ERs will not have the 10 abreast config.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route.

One could always change planes in Sydney or Melbourne and go for the nonstopper from there, thereby avoiding the extra stopover on Bangkok resp. Singapore. In both cases, this routing would allow the passenger to reach Dubai within half an hour of the one-stop flight.



User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4801 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Aerorobnz...these are the non ER B 777-300s flying on this route. EKs 3 class B 773s always had 380 seats and I hope that the new B 773ERs have a better F and J class cabin thus reducing capacity on board to make way for the bigger seats etc.

And yes you can fly from AKL to SYD and MEL and change planes there for the nonstop DXB flight if you dont want a BKK stopover enroute to Asia. Africa and EU/UK.



User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9187 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

So from now on I can do SYD-BKK-HKG I guess?

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

EK418 will be operated by B773ERs. The schedule on emirates.com shows 73E which is the new designation for the ER models.

I was surprised yesterday finding the EK418 one-stop flight instead of two daily nonstops. Only two weeks ago it still showed TWO daily A345 flights, EK412 plus EK410.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7260 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Behramjee, yeah you could transfer at SYD/MEL but that's too much hassle for what you previously had to do. I don't know about the transit times either. EK fares are marginally cheaper than the others most of the time but not enough to justify the dog-leg routing.

User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

A bit off-topic, but does anyone knows when the new BKK apt will be in service ?

SN.


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6140 times:

I am really intrigued to know if EK will keep the A345 sitting on the ground at SYD for around 9 hours before it returns to Dubai. Seems very unlike them to do this.
It would certainly be a hassle to transfer at SYD/MEL and then DXB again just to stay with EK. A same plane connection through to the hub is a lot more appealing. I know that EK would send pax from AKL bound for Europe on the SYD flight as first preference, but now it looks like SQ or CX, non-stop via their respective hubs will be much easier.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

I guess that Emirates will eventually go non-stop to AKL. As said before, they are lagging behin many other airlines in the Europe-New Zealand market with their hoppidi scoppidy milkruns out of AKL. Strangely enough, CHC is faring better than AKL, with its one-stop connection to DXB.



User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

Anyone know whether the ICE system is being fitted to B777-300ER's?


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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2188 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Does Emirates have a downloadable timetable for PC or PDA (like Star Alliance or Oneworld)? Couldn't find one on their website

User currently offlineElephantboy From Thailand, joined Sep 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

SN-MD11

The New Bangkok International Airport (Suvarnabhumi Airport) was scheduled to be operational in Sep. this year. But we are quite sure that it will not be able to meet the target. Most likely that it will be ready by middle of next year.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

I can only imagine EK will have a small engineering crew based in SYD to perform line maintenance while the A345 sits there all day (they did this in MEL)- SYD parking charges are very expensive.

User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

I flew DXB-SYD in Nov last year, the transit passengers who were continuing onto AKL still had to leave the aircraft and go to the transit lounge. So if you do take the direct DXB-SYD flight and then pick up the 773 SYD-AKL you won't be incurring any extra hassle other than 1 hour extra on the ground. As you are continuing on EK your luggage will be through checked and there should be no reason why you shouldn't have your boarding card issued at your point of origin.

As for what will happen to the A345 during the day...your guess is as good as mine...some point down the line it may well continue on to CHC or even commence the much waited ADL route which would then operate DXB-SYD-ADL-SYD-DXB, this would enable EK to open another route without the need of an extra aircraft.



EK A380 Private suite - Here I come!!
User currently offlineZaphod From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Hey even I can't imagine why EK should terminate the flight at SYD. Am sure they have something up their sleeve.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

That makes EK even less attractive from Europe to NZ!

How large is the Europe-NZ market?

Its not that huge, and it is price sensitive.

If EK price their product below SQ or QF or BA, they will do well.


User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

EmiratesUK,

I believe EK is not allowed to transport domestic pax within Australia, them being a non-Australian airline. And I don´t think pax loads on DXB-ADL would justify continuing the DXB-SYD for another sector.


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

Don't be surprised with ADL not justifying a service, who would have thought AKL would get 3 daily services?! you have to remember that EK is an airline that starts routes on profile not demand. The demand comes second as they believe given time the demand will come. I'm also sure ADL would justify a service more than CHC! As for carrying traffic between points within Oz I didn't mean passengers would be able to purchase tickets between the two points. JL used to operate BNE-MEL if I remember right, and they are not a Australian carrier!


EK A380 Private suite - Here I come!!
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

When the new flight arrives at 15:15 and the return flight leaves at 15:50, I guess that both will not be performed with the same plane. Then there will be a plane sitting on the ground at AKL for over 24 hours! Or do they have one of the other two flights using B773ER?

If AKL still gets thirce daily flights then one of the current flights should be suspended. Which one?

Their flight schedules on their site do not reflect the new flights yet.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Wait for Australia to Brazil.
Expect EK A345 to go onto SYD-CHC when they have rights to GRU. They don't want to waste too much time just serving CHC.
The best strategy to serve Sydney and Melbourne and New Zealand to South America is via CHC not AKL. Talk about stuff LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas in one shot.
MEL-CHC-GRU
SYD-CHC-GRU
MEL-CHC-EZE-GRU
SYD-CHC-SCL-GRU
MEL-CHC-GIG

take your pick

flights would combined at CHC. The CHC market in it's own right is of little relevance.



User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Very long shot here, perhaps the Australian government is going to let airlines other than QF and UA fly the Oz-USA routes and EK will go SYD-SFO/LAX Big grin


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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Why even bother with CHC? I'm sure the A345 could do SYD-South america in one go.

And it is hardly THAT competitive with Lan and Aerolineas. Who in their right mind would fly down to CHC from AKL on another carrier to only then link up to EK? Plus, it misses out on any Queensland/SE ASian (bar Singapore) originating or destined traffic, as it all goes through Auckland at the moment.

CHC can be a destination in its own right, far more so than ADL. While NZ's South Island is regularly rated as a top-5 destination for travellers, South Australia never gets a mention.


25 Aerorobnz : "How large is the Europe-NZ market? Its not that huge, and it is price sensitive. If EK price their product below SQ or QF or BA, they will do well."
26 Aerorobnz : Sth America through CHC seems a bit far fetched. Especially with a 345 at hand.
27 RichardJF : Aerokiwi- The higher yielding markets from Sydney and Melbourne are far more important than Brisbane and Auckland. You could go direct however. SYD-SC
28 RichardJF : I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market. They would be thinking Australia to the UK/Europe, Australia
29 Aerorobnz : "I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market." You're right, they are doing it to reduce the time on the
30 RichardJF : Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has
31 TG992 : Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has
32 Behramjee : Its surprising that airlines such as QF, SQ and CX with higher labor costs and a much better all round inflight and preflight product than TG is $ 200
33 TG992 : Ever since NZ citizens have had to clear LAX for transit purposes enroute to LHR, have many switched flying on ANZ to LHR via LAX and gone instead to
34 Aerorobnz : TG992 - no doubt them looking at South America is the same as them looking at the viability of KKE-SYD flights.... I've also heard about the NZ1/2 via
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