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User currently offlineRparker537 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13380 times:

5 + 5 options

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh86096_2005-02-04_14-18-02_l04699901_newsml

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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13299 times:

Great news, I actually already expected an 787 order with ethiopian instead of the A350....

Seems like boeing is doing great business the last couple of weeks...


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13242 times:

Wow that's awesome news. Anyone have any idea what the 787 would look like in Ethiopian colors? That makes 191 787s for Boeing Way to go!!  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13221 times:

Amazing what Aid money can do. Don't feed your millions, buy a 787! So Eithiopian Airlines take the lead on United?! WTF!

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13186 times:

Awesomes news! Way to go Boeing & Ethiopian...

Funny but very true remark Spike hahahah

In any case, this is great news.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13180 times:

Spike, I suspect if ET had gone with the A350 you would be saying it's money well spent, won't you?


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13146 times:

NYC777: No, I would say the same thing. But for ET to take a lead like that is remarkable nespa? Is that worse than a LCC buying a bunck of them?

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13128 times:
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Has Ethiopian taken delivery of all it's 767's?

The article I read said that the first 787 will arrive in 2008. Will they be replacing 767's or operating both for a while?



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User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13090 times:

NYC,

not everybody sleeps in Airbus or Boeing panties... hard to believ for you, but it's true...

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13069 times:
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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

But for ET to take a lead like that is remarkable nespa? Is that worse than a LCC buying a bunck of them

Being a launch customer means Ethiopian saves more of your 'aid money'...than should they buy it later.  Big grin



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Excellent news. The 787 is proving it's market appeal on a broad basis now. If Im not mistaken it is now officially the most successful new product launch for Boeing.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13039 times:

Congratulations to Boeing

ANA, JAL, China, Ethiopian, Vietnam, Blue Panorama, First Choice ..

Each deaal with its own background..

Who's next, Libya, El Al, Aerolinas Argentinas ? ..

Somehow I still miss some..


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13012 times:
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Just for convenience, here is the link where you don't need to copy and paste:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh86096_2005-02-04_14-18-02_l04699901_newsml

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

But for ET to take a lead like that is remarkable nespa? Is that worse than a LCC buying a bunck of them?

Why not? They are one of a few successful African airlines.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12918 times:

"ANA, JAL, China, Ethiopian, Vietnam, Blue Panorama, First Choice ..

Somehow I still miss some..
"


Continental comes to mind, but I think that's it. . .



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

The usual sour grapes from the usual suspects. Now they're flavored with elitism and racism. The normal unfettered boosterism is a lot less offensive.

[Edited 2005-02-04 16:27:33]

User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 929 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12889 times:

Sweet, another order for the 787. It's been picking up some needed sales momentum lately. Ethiopian has been a loyal customer for Boeing since their first 720Bs, and is one of Africa's most successful airlines, so it's a good sale.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineSQ25J From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12887 times:

To those that slight Ethiopian as an airline indicative of it's third world status...you are sadly mistaken! Ethiopian does not need any foreign aid for it's airline, (my understanding is US and UN foreign aid cannot go to airlines).
Ethiopian makes a good profit from their operations based on the following
1) Little or no competition in their markets.
2) Reasonably low operating+labor costs.
3) High Yield fares and they make a ton of money in excess bagage charges from virtually every passenger, (I have seen all the cash at the end of the night).

Furthermore Ethiopian has excellent maintenance support for their and other operations, (they are an FAA approved repair station)


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

My money is on LH to place the next 787 order, any takers?


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3244 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12833 times:

Keesje and DIA,

There's also Primaris, but who knows whether it will actually materialise...

Tony



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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12831 times:

LH? My money on Oasis HK.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12821 times:

"ANA, JAL, China, Ethiopian, Vietnam, Blue Panorama, First Choice ..

Somehow I still miss some.."


Continental comes to mind, but I think that's it. . .


think you just missed at least 6 airlines....

Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Shanghai Airlines and Xiamen Airlines.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12774 times:

Oasis HK, what's that?


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12755 times:

err, that is just CAAC's cheque book and paint jobs on various aircraft. Iys all the same company you know.

25 Kim777fan : Is Ethiopian Airlines privately run or state run??? Who knows.. Maybe they need more fuel efficient planes that are more comfortable to bring more aid
26 Spike : Nothing like the US selling 10 aircraft for nothing to one of the most in-debted countries in the world, to gain...NOTHING!
27 N328KF : Spike, whatever you're smoking over there, it must be some good stuff.
28 MIASkies : One word = HATERS! Their are many airlines in "Extreme Poverty etc.." type countries who's airlines fly a very modern fleet and continue to order new
29 Aerobalance : KLM will announce a huge 787 order soon...
30 N79969 : Ethiopian flies B767 today right? (Yes Spike, Ethiopians have airplanes even today) It's not surprising that they would want to replace them at some p
31 Danny : "KLM will announce a huge 787 order soon..." Source? Somehow I doubt it. They are Air France now just to reming you.
32 N328KF : Danny: And how many Boeing aircraft do AF/KL operate between them? Quite a lot, to be sure. And, gee, they just ordered more recently. Guess they're s
33 Andahuailas : "ANA, JAL, China, Ethiopian, Vietnam, Blue Panorama, First Choice .. Somehow I still miss some.." Continental comes to mind, but I think that's it. .
34 Col : Good news indeed for Boeing and Ethiopian. I guess these will replace the old 763's, while the options will replace the new/757's? As the 787 carries
35 Spike : N79969: Ethiopians have always had airplanes. But you are missing the point. If ET can afford 10 of these, why can UA/AA/DL/CO not muster one order be
36 Post contains links and images Keesje : "KLM will announce a huge 787 order soon..." Yes, I'm considering 70 to replace the 763, 772, 744, M11, 332, 739 and most of all the DC10 fleet we sha
37 Aerobalance : "I'm considering 70 to replace the 763, 772, 744, M11, 332, 739 and most of all the DC10 fleet we share with NWA!" That's not a bad idea!
38 NYC777 : CO did order 10 in December. The US Airlines are in considerably worse shape than ET. ET is not exposed to the market forces that US majors are expose
39 N328KF : Does Ethiopian Airlines serve Ethiopian food? That's a serious question. Any of you who have ever had food at an Ethiopian restaurant will understand.
40 N79969 : Spike, I do not mean to be rude but to be extremely blunt, you have no point. The state of the incredibly massive U.S. airline industry has no bearing
41 Spike : I think my point is more realistic than yours so don't be so blunt. Its 10x 787s to Eithiopia v. 0x 787s to America. It is sure going to make BA buy t
42 NYC777 : Spike it isn't ralistic because you're ignoring the market foirces that the ET operates vs. the market forces that US majors operate in. There is sign
43 N328KF : NYC777: And actually, there are 30 787s ordered by U.S. operators. Though like I've said repeatedly, I think Primaris is a proxy for one of the other
44 NYC777 : You're right, I forgot them. Who runs Primaris? What is the status of their negotiations to firm up the 20 787s (and the 20 737s)?
45 Post contains links N328KF : http://www.primarisairlines.com/about/man/
46 767-332ER : Spike, I'm sure the only reason why ET chose the 787 was due to the bigger-than-normal windows and not due to the 20% in operating savings that the ai
47 Post contains images Danny : "I'm considering 70 to replace the 763, 772, 744, M11, 332, 739 and most of all the DC10 fleet we share with NWA! " Sure It's time to replace A332 the
48 ACVitale : Spike et al bashers, I guess the fact that ET is a profitable airline and is operating a modern fleet has nothing to do with it. When was the last tim
49 N79969 : Spike, No you still have no point of any real import. Your attempt at reflection is one of those bits of trivia that may seem profound after 8 or 9 be
50 Post contains images Trent900 : Great news. I'm sure I already heard a few months again ET would go for the 787. Must be the large windows that did it, why else would they want the a
51 PlaneSmart : Are ET buying or leasing the airframe and engines, and is their order subject to funding? Whether financing or leasing, financiers look at three main
52 Danny : "Widest windows in the world to see the poorest nation. Makes sense to you?" This is not an issue as this will be paid for by "international aid" - re
53 The777Man : The 787 is perfect for ET as they will be able to fly nonstop ADD-IAD and other long flights that the 767-300ER doesn't have the range for. They still
54 Post contains links NYC777 : Here's the press release from Boeing on the order: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q1/pr_050204g.html The plane looks awesome in
55 Post contains images ViasaMSY : Spike: Have you ever spent a considerably amount of time in a third world country?. Probably not. Where do you think aid money goes?. To the people?..
56 TJCAB : There are some really ignorant and uneducated individuals participating in this thread. Please educate yourself before making derogatory statements ab
57 SNATH : NYC, The plane looks awesome in ET colors! (hi again!) Yes, absolutely gorgeous livery! Tony
58 TJCAB : ViasaMSY.... ...and some countries spend more on military equipment than on schools and healthcare...others loose $9 billion... let us not generalize
59 Post contains links and images YOWguy : Been sitting on the sidelines at a.net , and I finally joined. I think that the 787 is a good addition to their fleet. It looks like thier CEO is tryi
60 Post contains images 787 : Very Nice!
61 ViasaMSY : TJCAB Know the story well. Lets follow your advise and stick it to the Boeing and ET topic.
62 DeltaWings : Gtreat, but what versions? the 787-9 maybe, just maybe.....? ~DeltaWings
63 NYC777 : It'll proabably be the -800
64 N328KF : EIS is 2008, so that means the 787-8.
65 Sinlock : Not suprised at all about this order at all. Some of you will remember that ET was the only customer for the 767-400LR (6+2), but when the 747-500/600
66 SNATH : Some of you will remember that ET was the only customer for the 767-400LR I believe it was Kenya Airways, not ET. They ended up getting B777s instead.
67 VS045 : HELLO!!!! Starving millions...couple of planes that are starting to get long in the tooth Even us "plane nerds" must be able to see which is the bette
68 N328KF : If it's not Ethiopian taxpayer money paying for the planes, what's the problem?
69 CptGirmayTesfa : N328KF: Ethiopian served Ethiopian food in Business class some while ago; not anymore. Whatever some of you may think: Ethiopian is a profitable compa
70 Mdsh00 : Great news for Ethiopian and Boeing. It's pretty sad to hear the ignorant and bitter remarks from the Airbus fans.
71 MIAMIx707 : hey lighten up, don't pay attention to Spike while he's high on Cambodian grass.. ET's 787 looks great from that angle, even though their new colors a
72 NYC777 : I don't think they're going to give up on teh A350 but will probably drop the price drastically in order to be more competitive.
73 TransPac : Spike and VS045: Don't they teach economics over there anymore? The decisions of a profitable company to increase its assets and competitive ability h
74 N328KF : My eyes! filler
75 7E72004 : What are the chances the "dolphin fin" will be kept for the rudder design?
76 N328KF : 7E72004: Even the very latest images have the shark fin. In fact, all of the people who have said that Boeing dropped it are basing it on one early wi
77 BoeingBus : not only have they kept the shark tail in the recent pics, but those pics have somewhat focused on the shark tail... so i personally think its a go...
78 Post contains images Atmx2000 : The tail is not quite so pointy any more. It has a flat top edge. And the curves are gentler. And tail doesn't seem to sweep as far back as the shark
79 Byrdluvs747 : There definitely seems to be a momentum building for the 787. I hope this roll continues with some of the big airlines placing orders. Can anyone tell
80 Sk945 : Well, thats great.... That means that we may be will se the 787 at ARN...
81 Post contains images 777ER : Thats one nice looking B787 in ET colours. Way to go Boeing and ET
82 Voodoo : There has never been a definitive statement as to why the shark fin would be a hindrance aerodynamically or otherwise i.e. why a more standard fin wou
83 SunriseValley : Is there an image anywhere showing the 787 in AirNZ colours?
84 Post contains images MauriceB : Is there an image anywhere showing the 787 in AirNZ colours? Sure! http://www.commercialaviationtoday.com/images/airnewzealand7e7ad.jpg
85 Post contains images Jacobin777 : YOWguy....welcome to the board...
86 MauriceB : "KLM will announce a huge 787 order soon..." not really, they clearly said 2 months ago that they won't order any new types for at least 1 year...
87 Post contains images Leelaw : IMO, the top of the vertical stabilizer looks a lot less tapered (more of a straight edge) on the ET specific pic, both here and on the Boeing website
88 Airgeek12 : awesome..and we got some great pics in here
89 Aerokiwi : I study and work in the aid/development sector. Do not confuse the plight of a nation's people with commercial firms. It is far too complicated to del
90 Post contains images Glideslope : "Congrats to all parties. That A350 is sure lagging behind. Methinks Airbus has misread the market and come up with an inapproriate response to the 7
91 SNATH : Which is interesting because I though Airbus argued pax wanted 4 engines for long haul flights Even though I'd love to bash Airbus on this, I believe
92 Behramjee : Did ET convert any of their outstanding B 767 and B 777 options into this order for 10 B 787s?
93 Ha763 : ET seems to be doing quite well. Way better than almost all major US airlines. 2003 Net Profit: ETB276,655,098=USD31,717,045 2002 Net Profit: ETB78,78
94 777ER : With all the orders for both A and B so far this year, it really shows that the aivation industry is recovering from 9/11, SARS etc.
95 Post contains images ETStar : Spike, you just lost all the respect I had for you. In case you did not know, unlike your airline who, according to you, was beat to the 787, Ethiopia
96 Jet-lagged : What is the big deal about Ethiopian Airlines buying new planes?? Their job is to run an airline, not the country. They must compete with other airlin
97 QANTAS077 : good luck to them, Ethiopian has a strong reputation for service and quality for over 50 years now and the country is trying to grow economically with
98 Aerokiwi : That's true SNATh, re. Virgin and it's slogan. But I'm positive I've sen Airbus ads and press releases claiming surveys show pax prefer 4 engines for
99 B707Stu : Greetings All. I'm new to Airliners.Net though have been an observer for a long time. It was time to join the dialogue. In the name of disclosure, I'm
100 Post contains images RayChuang : I think people forget that ADD (Addis Ababa) is a great location for a major hub airport for services up and down the eastern coast of Africa. As such
101 Leelaw : B707Stu: Welcome. I enjoyed reading your thoughtful and insightful maiden post; I look forward to reading many more! Regards
102 Behramjee : When Emirates doesnt fly into ADD, why would you consider it a direct competitor to ET? The only real competitor to ET is KENYA AIRWAYS on literally a
103 VS045 : The people of Ethipoia don't need a long-term solution, they need a short-term solution. In twenty years time, many will have died of AIDS, starvation
104 B707Stu : VS45 Not to be cynical (I work in HIV/AIDS and am very aware of the African crisis), but the more aircraft getting in quicker means more supplies, med
105 FCKC : Still no surprise here !! This order can't go to Airbus.One more time , no competition here. Ethiopian didn't wait for the specifications of the A350
106 Mdsh00 : That one was easy for Boeing , like this of JAL (787/737) and the Chinese. What's the next easy one for Boeing ? El AL ? Someone break out the air fre
107 VS045 : B707stu Yes, but they could have done that with their 767s! I know I'm fighting a losing battle here, but this is what I believe! Cheers, VS045
108 ETStar : Behramjee, you may have missed the point that 70% of ET's customers are connecting pax, not those originating from Ethiopia. While we both agree that
109 Post contains links ETStar : And here's an interesting article from the Seattle PI which says: In 2002, the airline ordered three 737-700s. Two have been delivered. The new single
110 Pensacolaguy : That is great that ET is ordering 5 787s with 5 as an option. From what I saw on the Amazing Race, Ethiopia looks like a beautiful country with friend
111 ETStar : Pensacolaguy, ET has served Sudan for almost as long as it (ET) has existed. If you were wondering about setting up a hub there or something similar,
112 Behramjee : ETStar, I understand what youre trying to say but explain to me this : You said that EK has a large presence in Eastern and Southern Africa which is v
113 FCKC : Mdsh00 Can you translate what you wrote in a more easy way. Do not forget , english is not the mother tongue of many of us here. Thanks.
114 Alessandro : Well, don´t forget the service part, if ET get the B787 early they can become service partners for many future B787 in the region and make money from
115 B707Stu : http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=626396&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20757-260CS&WdsYXMg=Rguvbcvna%20Nveyvarf%20Pnetb&QtODMg=Trarin%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28Pb
116 B707Stu : VS45, oops, I don't think I inserted that photo link very well. If you search ET pictures on airliners.net and search for Cabin Views you'll see it. S
117 Post contains links and images Leelaw : B707Stu: Follow the instructions in the link at the bottom of the message reply area at the end of the thread and the desired photo you want to insert
118 Spike : Guys, the point is why 10 brand new 787s for Ethiopian, rather than 10x that amount of 2nd hand a/c for half the cost? Its a bit like giving China aid
119 F4N : FCKC: I'm not entirely sure of the significance people place on the "ease" of competition here. Does the fact that JAL/ANA or Ethiopian bought Boeing
120 ETStar : Spike, 10x that amount of aircraft is not required by ET. Also, while the cost of acquiring second hand aircraft is lower, maintenance cost may offset
121 Post contains links Zvezda : FCKC, "air freshener" is perfume for a room or other space. Typically, it comes in a spray can. "break out" means, in this context, to unpack somethin
122 Post contains images B707Stu : Leelaw Thanks, I appreciate that. (My newness is showing). Stu
123 RootsAir : Its incredible to see that a rich country like switzerland cannot handle an airline and how a poor country like Ethiopia has an airline that's doing g
124 Atmx2000 : Yeah, but Switzerland is a rich country in the middle of rich countries with larger populations, which have larger O&D markets and stronger airlines.
125 ETStar : RootsAir, yep, it shows you that the wealth of a country is not the only factor that determines success...
126 RootsAir : Yeah you guys are definitely right on that one. I've been living in Switzerland for nearly all my life and I've lived the descent of swissair. Here in
127 ETStar : What is to happen to ET's 752s? Yes, it is said that some would be converted into freighters, but what sort of replacement is there out there for this
128 Post contains links ETStar : More talk on ET's order and current standings: http://www.addisfortune.com/web_issue/news/news_001.htm
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