Gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
I know there's been lots of questions on what is going on at GSO, so I thought I'd post.
-Lengthening of runway 14/32 to 10,000ft continues.
-Addition of the 5/23 parrallel to existing 5/23 is underway
-New taxiways are being added
-New Airport entrance is being added
-Bryan Blvd is being moved to make way for new 5/23
-10,000 sq feet is being added to both north and south terminals to hold security equipment as well as customs offices.
-North Concourse is being expanded, the structure is up now. This will add another 7-10 gates to the airport to house the umored JetBlue and Southwest service)
-Ground breaking on the Comair Maintanence facility is to start soon.
-Existing 5/23 is to be lengthened soon to handle new 747 and A380 traffic.
Other news, I've been told that GSO is one of IAir's most profitable cities. They are running at about 80% capacity so far.
Delta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2682 times:
I have read that DL is going to switch to the other concourse when it is completed. I wonder if there is anyway they'd consider a Crown Room there since they have many flights here. There is one at RDU, why not here?
Any thoughts on new service to the area? either new airlines or destinations? What ever happened to CLE? Why did CO drop it, seems like people could connect there just as easily to other cities in the midwest/northeast.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4418 posts, RR: 35 Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2652 times:
I have a diagram of GSO's then-new terminal from 1986 that shows a Crown Room across from Delta's gate area. Delta apparently had one and closed it.
Hasn't GSO's passenger traffic been pretty stable the last few years? What's the source of the airport authority's confidence to build a bunch of new gates? Don't get me wrong, it would be great to see GSO pax traffic thriving, but it's not clear to me where the demand will come from to merit 7-10 new gates.
"Rumors" of incoming LCC service probably wouldn't convince Moody's or Standard & Poor that the bonds are a good idea. Even if WN and/or B6 actually entered, it's hard to imagine them needing that many gates.
That said, best of luck to GSO with the incoming FedEx hub and other projects!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2656 times:
Didn't know that 14/32 was being extended...that runway is in pretty poor condition, and I've never used it (or seen it used) since moving down here. Would be nice for there to be a cross-wind runway that can be used by airlines.
How many gates will the new north concourse have? I had heard about 6, and that it would be Delta that would be moving over there (their 3 gates are pushing it at times). From what I have heard, there will be no CRC at GSO for Delta, leaving only the US Airways Club. I've been told by the ladies at the US club that there are a lot of Delta flyers (myself included) that do use the US lounge, so I'm sure US doesn't want a CRC there...
As for new LCCs, I don't think it would be Southwest. RDU is not too far, and WN would move quickly into CLT if US liquidates. CLT would also be more beneficial, as it is a larger area than the Piedmont, and it could draw the Piedmont, Columbia, Greenville/Spartanburg, etc. The key is just getting gate space. JetBlue is a possibility...I wouldn't be shocked if we see Embraers running up to JFK and down to FLL within 18 months, with BOS being a slight possibility.
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 972 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2642 times:
I've seen RJs land and takeoff at 32, however bigger equipment use 5/23.
There are times that there are more aircraft being handled than there are available gates. As for the inside, the terminals seem worn and old, and dirty the times I flew outta there.
What about Airtran? Are they coming back?
UALGSO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
As for 14/32, anything up to L-1011's can takeoff there as Tradewinds use to do every once in awhile. As for landing the 757 is the biggest I've seen. Last that was heard is Delta will assume 8 gates in the North Con. extension. As for new carriers if any are coming the PTAA is not letting word out. One I can safely say it will not be is Airtran. They started burning bridges from the moment they announced they were pulling out.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2605 times:
8 gates for Delta...that's quite a bump up in service...any idea on what potential new destinations would be? I would assume that this would make the North Concourse pretty much the domain of SkyTeam (Independence might stay, but they might get moved over to South).
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
So let me get this straight,
14/32 is being extended to 10,000 feet (I'm assuming, to the northwest)
5/23 is being extended to ???? (I'm assuming to the northeast)
new parallel is being constructed to 5/23 that is 9,000ft (correct?)
Wow...thats a massive amount of runway construction!
Gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
What I was told is that 14/23 is being extended to handle all aircraft taht can land and takeoff from the airport. The runway now is in fair shape. I see it used 2-4 days per month depending on the wind, 737, 757, regionals etc. On those days, I've typically seen the A300s and larger craft use the main runway in horrible wind conditions.
5/23 is just getting the parallel, a newspaper article cleared that up today. So Both of those will be 10,000 ft.
Airtran is not going to be allowed back. Much like Toledo, Airtran really made people in the airport authority and local governments mad.
As for new airlines, much like when WN started service at Norfolk and promised RIC ... when WN started at RDU instead of GSO (It was a huge battle that the state government gave the edge to RDU), WN promised GSO service in the no to distant future.
As for passenger loads. Right now they are running 2 million per year with a ton of people traveling to RDU for the cheaper fares. With better fares, the area can get higher loads.
GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
Airtran is not going to be allowed back. Much like Toledo, Airtran really made people in the airport authority and local governments mad.
Did Airtran do anything illegal? I find it hard to believe that a local government would reject the possibility of creating jobs and generating revenue from a business just because that business made them angry.
UALGSO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2416 times:
They could come back, but I would not expect any guaranteed revenue sources from the local businesses or government to entice them. Canceling flights due to low load factors and having the one employee who decided to stay just send pax to other airlines when they did operate with no endorsements on there tickets or sending them to airlines FL does not have agreements with. As a pax flying Airtran I never had any problems, but as an FL employee while on furlough from current employer, It was my first experience in Customer Service watching a co-worker cuss pax out on a daily basis and management turn a blind eye. So far Delta has not raised prices like most in GSO had feared with an Airtran pullout. And yes LV all of the runway and taxiway construction is for FedEx.
Gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
"I thought it was RDUAA went to WN about 5 or 7 times working their @sses off.. but nevermind.."
That is not the case ERJ. The story from the late nineties was one when RDU was post-AA and GSO was post-Eastwind and post-COLite. The deal was that GSO and RDU worked their tails off for WN. GSO made the case that they could equally serve RDU/CLT/GSO/AVL/ROA and RDU made the case that they could easily serve GSO/RDU/FAY/ILM/RIC and coastal NC. It was quite a stalemate for a long, long time until NCDOT and the State government gave WN a ton of incentives to favor RDU that GSO couldntt afford to give.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
Interesting.. in all my readings I never read about this.. but it could be very true. Though it would make sense that the NC Government would suggest RDU over GSO in that the state government offices are located in the Raleigh area.. but, who knows..
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1948 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
"Much like Toledo, Airtran really made people in the airport authority and local governments mad."
Actually, it was the other way around. AirTran wasn't meeting some demands of the port authority and someone who isn't on the port board now said something to the tune of "get out" and they did. The fact that OC pulled it's funding from a travel bank didn't help either..lol But, all in all, I've talked with the port and they would love to have FL back.
Gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
"Interesting.. in all my readings I never read about this.. but it could be very true."
Was it RDU area readings? That could be the problem.
I don't mean this to sound bad, but Raleigh and Charlotte are not kind to the Triad. If the Triad gets something that they other two don't have, they either take it or discredit it (this isn't the governments, but the people and media). When Queens and UNCC tossed plans to start Charlotte's first law school and Elon decided to put their in Greensboro, the Charlotte newspaper ran about a weeks worth of articles specifying why it was a mistake for Elon to do that and to put it in Greensboro (only 6 law schools in the state).
When the hurricanes played in GSO, very few triangle people came to GSO. Instead they bashed the attendance. And so on.
This area is the poor orphan stepchild of the state's big metro areas. It's been that way for 15 years or so.
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1377 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
I don't buy this GSO v RDU stuff for WN. If you can show some evidence I might give it some credibility. I worked for JI when WN started RDU and if anything JI and to some degree AA were lobbying heavily against WN entering the market for obvious competitive reasons.
The airport obviously wanted WN. What airport wouldn't? WN had big plans for RDU in the beginning. They promised like 45-60 flights a day. The airport moved airlines around to the erected trailer gates down at the south end of term A. Now I think WN has something like only 20-25 flights a day.
As a sidebar...I believe the Triad's Metro Area is actually larger in population than the Triangle's Metro Area. I was suprised when Airtran pulled out of GSO, that worries me somewhat about the GSO market. I'm not saying it's weak, but DL and US have major pax loyalty there and the people that are going to fly WN probably just make the hour drive to RDU.
There are many other cities that will see WN before GSO. CLT is probably at or near the top of that list. I've also heard WN mention fliying to possibly LGA or BOS which would be very interesting. I also wouldn't be suprised to see them back in DEN one day.
Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
Any idea on when the North Concourse extension will open? I'm debating whether or not to join the US Airways club, and the biggest part of the decision comes down to when the GSO concourse opens (I fly US occasionally, but with DL and US in the same concourse at GSO, I could use the US Airways Club there whether or not I'm on Delta or US).
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2198 times:
I can honestly say I have never been to GSO. I do know that GSO has a larger population than Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill.. The problem with GSO is that it is locked dead in the middle of a US hub and a MQ focus city.. should one or the other leave, I believe the playing field will be better.. .
Now, I think it is good that GSO is expanding their terminal. I don't know about 8 gates... they should just go ahead and construct to make a total of ~60 gates... Then work their @sses off to get airlines for those 60 gates.. right now they have, what? 20 something? B6 could and probably will serve both GSO, RDU, and CLT.. I could see F9 serving both RDU and GSO.. I could see some airlines that aren't at RDU at GSO like Allegiant or TransMeridian...
I would have to agree that I would see WN at CLT before GSO. I would hope GSO is trying to get service from HP also.. with the Comair MX base there, I could see DL adding a couple more destiantions.. I wish all the best of luck for GSO.. .
But if I were in the state government and I had to pull for one airport over another.. Yeah, I would choose RDU cause it is 15 minutes from the state building where CLT, GSO, ISO, HIC, FAY, ILM, EWN, PGV, AVL are all MUCh MUCh farther away..
Gsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
I'm sorry you do not believe it RDUDDJI. It is the truth none the less.
I wrote a college paper on the AA hub that disappeared and reappeared at RDU, CO Lite and Eastwind for Greensboro and the Southwest argument between the two. I have comments from emails I had between airport authority members about the situation that I used in the paper. All the information is straight from those types of sources.
Otherwise, go to news-record.com and earch in the archives for that type of information.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 2131 times:
I think the real reason RDU has more service even though GSO has the population is you will probably find the triangle has a greater per capita then the triad. GSO is a very blue collar area were as RDU has more white collar to it.
Comair mechanics will vote next week on a union-recommended contract that includes 2 percent pay increases, at the same time the regional airline is asking pilots and flight attendants to accept pay freezes.
Mechanics in Cincinnati, Akron/Canton, Dayton, Orlando, Fla., and Lexington, Ky., are to vote Sunday through Wednesday, with results to be tallied later next week.
Buttrell proposes reducing outside maintenance work, giving it to Comair mechanics at new facilities in Akron-Canton, Greensboro, N.C., Lexington, Knoxville, Tenn., and Raleigh-Durham, N.C. (uhmm.. when was this announced?)
One of his key proposals is the wage freeze for Comair's 1,900 pilots and 1,000 flight attendants. He says the concessions are needed to allow Comair to buy at least 35 new jets, including 25 larger 70-seat aircraft.
Without a deal to buy the new planes, the current contracts for pilots and flight attendants will be left unchanged, Buttrell said.
Comair's pilots are higher paid than those at comparable airlines, as the result of a contract they received after going on strike in 2001.
According to figures compiled by Air Inc., an Atlanta-based company that tracks pilots' salaries, Comair pays a second-year pilot $35,688 annually, and top pay after 18 years is $108,600. Atlantic Southeast Airlines, another Delta-owned regional carrier, pays a second-year pilot $25,560 and top pay of $98,484.
So from what I can see, if they vote for this.. the E170 WILL be a part of Comair... they are a better company to work for than ASA in terms of pay.. and they are opening 5 new maintenance facilities...