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LAX - SIN, SIN - JFK: Any Longer Trips?  
User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

just watched a docu on n-tv about a SQ flight from LAX to SIN. People boarded Friday evening and landed Sunday morning. Crazy thing due to the date line. the flight takes 18 hrs, and i read the flight from SIN to JFK takes 18,5 hrs. i just wonder if there are any other regular flights which take longer and which other airlines offer such long flights.


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

No, there aren't any longer trips at the moment. This will probably change with the 772LR.

pelican

[Edited 2005-02-04 21:28:36]

User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Actually, the SIN-NYC flight is to EWR, not JFK. Sorry, I'm a stickler for details.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

For one thing, no airline flies SIN-JFK nonstop.



The only longer flight that was ever planned was TPE-PTY nonstop by BR, under heavy subsidy by the Evergreen Aviation & Technology Group. Considering current changes in their C-market aircraft delivery schedule, I sincerely doubt BR will ever fly this route.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

People boarded Friday evening and landed Sunday morning.

Whilst the above is the longest current non-stop flight, I have often flown on a single flight number CDG or LHR - Oz (MEL or SYD) being around 24 hours and 10 time zones and with only a one hour stop in SIN. For an evening departure from Europe, timetables have always shown arrival time in Oz as, e.g. 0700 D+2, i.e. AM two days later. JFK - SYD is also a single flt number, I believe.



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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 838 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

It's not to say that there aren't any longer flights or airlines that could fly them, but rather on whether there is such a market for these flights.

SQ has always been an innovator to initiate 'firsts'. First airline to fly nonstop FROM SINGAPORE to LAX, first airline to fly nonstop to EWR. There is traffic between SIN and those cities. Other airlines may not be able to boost that kind of excitement.

The only other airline which may compete with SQ for attention is probably EK.
So unless they try something that is going to rival SQ for distance, ie DXB-LAX or DXB-AKL nonstop, non one else can step in any fill those shoes. Okay... maybe DXB-HNL perhaps flying either direction?

Not unless QF might want to try to fly SYD-JFK nonstop.

[Edited 2005-02-04 22:05:38]

[Edited 2005-02-04 22:06:42]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

First airline to fly nonstop to LAX, first airline to fly nonstop to EWR.

...er, in the C-market.

Hardly would say SQ was the first airline to fly nonstop to either airport, or even the first airline to fly nonstop across the pacific to either  Big grin



rival SQ for distance, ie DXB-LAX or DXB-AKL nonstop

Neither one of those comes anywhere near SQ's New York flight's distance.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

When I took the inaugural LAX-SIN service in Feb. '04 SQ billed it as "World's Longest Nonstop Service."

Is TG's new Bangkok-N.Y. service slightly longer than SQ's service to EWR?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Is TG's new Bangkok-N.Y. service slightly longer than SQ's service to EWR?

Nope, SQ's service is still nearly 900mi longer via the GC alone.


User currently offlineLyzzard From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 404 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Given the current jet stream and weather conditions over the north pacific, current LAX-SIN flights are averaging 19 hours in flight time alone... I'll be boarding SQ19 tonight, guess I'd better plan to watch 6 of 7 full length movies.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

The advent of the B777-200LR will almost surely mean longer flights -- possibly even SYD-LHR.

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

With all these long range flights occuring why hasn't any airline tried to fly SYD-JFK non-stop. methinks Qantas should look into the 772LR to pull this off.


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4539 times:

methinks Qantas should look into the 772LR to pull this off.

If they wanted to go for a route with the 772LR LHR-SYD comes to mind.

In any event, haven't QF already stated that they are not interested in a C-market aircraft?



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4537 times:

I dont know about you guys but I dont see how anyone wants to be on an airplane, regardless of how nice it is, for THAT LONG! I love flying but 18 hrs? No way. While flying non-stop is nice and convenient, 18 hrs is a bit much if you ask me.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

One of the nice things about an 18-20 hour flight is that there is plenty of time to sleep -- when you're ready to. Fully enclosed bunks would help a lot.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

The advent of the B777-200LR will almost surely mean longer flights -- possibly even SYD-LHR.

No way to do SYD-LHR nonstop...unless you drop all cargo and leave the cabin half empty.  Insane


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Syd-Lhr nonstop is impossible with passengers n cargo, it's close to 18000ks and the only plane ever to do it was VH-OJA in late 1989 with no pax or cargo and this was Lhr-Syd, just a specially made fuel and tech crew, that flight took close to 21hrs, there is no concievable way that it could operate in the reverse direction.

Per-Lhr and VV would be possible to achieve nonstop, not sure if QF will ever operate it though. as for long flights, Qantas 94 from LAX-MEL on a bad day can take well over 16hrs, i know, i've had the misfortune of being on it.



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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

flight time with SQ: in the docu they mentioned a freaking IFE. PTVs of course but with a huge selectgion of movies. (all 3 matrix, e.g....) Video on demand. thats surely a great thing.

is there any website where flight distances can be calculated? i have no idea about distances...

and by the way, anyone can tell me whats C-market means?



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Udo wrote:
"No way to do SYD-LHR nonstop...unless you drop all cargo and leave the cabin half empty."

Cargo would be very limited at times, depending on the weather, but a full complement of passengers in a premium configuration would not be a problem.


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Macc, here's the distance calculator that most people prefer:
http://gc.kls2.com/ - Great Circle Mapper

Geoff M.


User currently offlineVS045 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Ait Tahiti Nui has wanted to do PPT-CDG non-stop for a while now but need airbus to increase the MTOW for the route to possible/profitable. That would surely be the longest route in the world!?! I don't know how suitable the 772LR would be for that route, regarding their current fleet, ETOPS etc.

Cheers,
VS045




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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Cargo would be very limited at times, depending on the weather, but a full complement of passengers in a premium configuration would not be a problem.

What kind of premium configuration? 20 extra light First Class seats? And cargo would be limited to a small box of feathers...  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Certainly LHR-SYD at a distance of 10,573 miles would be the ultimate long distance city pairing, but at this time the old Kangaroo route is beyond the practical range of any now flying, even the upcoming 772LR. In time, an aircraft like the A380 could evolve into a legitimate London to Sydney passenger jet. Then we all would be screaming for another Mach 2 plus supersonic jet to make that interminable flight a bit shorter.

User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

thanks for the link, Geoffm!

anyone knows which range the 787 or 350 will have?



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Cargo would be very limited at times, depending on the weather, but a full complement of passengers in a premium configuration would not be a problem.

...except for the yield maintenance on your mixed-configuration flights on that route.



That would surely be the longest route in the world!?!

If operated, yes it would.


25 Sabena332 : anyone knows which range the 787 or 350 will have? I found this: A 350-800: 15.900 km/242.000 kg MTOW A 350-900: 13.900 km/242.000 kg MTOW B 787-3: 6.
26 Karan69 : An Air India official once said that they were looking at possibilities of BOM-LAX and DEL-JFK/ORD -- Laugh all you want guys but as they say "in Air
27 Zvezda : I'm thinking about 200 seats. On days with particularly bad headwinds, they might have to go out with some empty seats. There is pressure on Boeing to
28 ConcordeBoy : why do you think the A380 has greater range than the B777-200LR There is speculation that a shrunken A380 with auxillary tankage would have greater ra
29 Macc : that means, at the moment, the 355 has the longest range with 15700km, with the T7LR competing for 16400km. is this range difference thus significant
30 Rj111 : What about GRU-SIN? Any market there?.....i guess not, scene as they dont even operate a 1 stop service.
31 Macc : the longest possible route i found at the cricle mapper seems to be EZE-ICN with 19483 km. PEK to EZE is slightly behind with 19285. that is interesti
32 ConcordeBoy : and again: how are the a, b, c markets defined? Though the numbers are actually more detailed, if you want a general idea: A market = 5000nm or less B
33 Leelaw : "While flying non-stop is nice and convenient, 18 hrs is a bit much if you ask me." Having done both the LAX & EWR/SIN flights in premium economy (or
34 Post contains images TAP340 : LIS-AKL if ever operated would be longer than GRU-NRT by more than 1000Km The distance between LIS and AKL by GCM is: 19622 Km. Beat this!
35 ConcordeBoy : Most of you seemed to miss the latter part of the original request: Are there any other city pairs with significant traffic
36 Aerorobnz : TapA340, That sounds like the longest leg to me. Spain/Portugal is supposed to be directly on the other side of the world from NZ. in terms of latitud
37 OzGlobal : Oz-LHR, at around 18,000 km is close enough to the others mentioned, but has very SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC. If you add QF, BQ, CX, SQ, TG, EK, CZ and othe
38 Danialanwar : I dont think that there are many routes longer than EWR-SIN with significant high-yield traffic apart from the Kangaroo route, Oz-NYC and maybe South
39 Jacobin777 : Leelaw.....I've flown JFK-DXB-JFK route on EK's 345.....while its not the longest route in the world (5951 nm according to Great Circle Mapper), the D
40 Zvezda : Danialanwar, was there a reason for excluding MEL-LHR and AKL-LHR from your list? Certainly, MEL-LHR has sufficient traffic to be commercially interes
41 Danialanwar : Zvezda, Didnt mean to exclude MEL-LHR (covered it under the Kangaroo route), but only gave the distance example for SYD-LHR (MEL-LHR aint that differe
42 Post contains images AAFLT1871 : 10,249 miles is the longest non stop flight I have ever taken. Back in my Marine Corps days in the late 90's on a U.S.A.F C-17 from SYD to FRA with se
43 Aerorobnz : BA don't come here to AKL basically because they would only be doubling up flights on exactly the same routes as QF flies, which doesn't make economic
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