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Why NW Flies DC-10 This Long  
User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13508 times:

Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I am not asking when NW is going to retire their DC-10's, but I would like to know why NW decided to keep the DC-10 in service this long ?
Was it because there was no money to get a replacement ? Was it because NW didn't find a suitable replacement ? Was it because used DC-10's are pretty cheap and easy to get at a certain point in history ?

This question also goes for the DC-9 and B742 by the way..  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thoughts please...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13389 times:

Basically the a/c are very good quality and they are already paid for. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13348 times:

The answer is pretty simple too. They own them all outright, they still work pretty well and they make money for Northwest.

Northwest has a reputation for maintaining aircraft well and squeezing every moment of operational life out of their equipment. That's why NW isn't on the verge of bankruptcy.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

Why would NW get rid of their DC-10's if they are in good working order, and there is still a need for them on certain routes? NW will use their planes to the limit of their lifespans, as you can see with the DC-9's.  Big grin

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineJcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13289 times:

Yeah, but I've been in business class on them a lot of late, and there are a lot of torn seats, recliners that don't recline, seat pouches hanging loose from being pulled/tugged too much. You know, pretty much like fraternity house basement furniture.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13116 times:

and probably a few other asian airlines fly to New York from LHR.

Those Asian airlines being AI and KU


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

why NW decided to keep the DC-10 in service this long ?

Four words,

Bought and paid for

No finance to speak of, plus they are not that old. Those NW DC-10s are late production examples. It's the same as their DC-9 fleet, they are in good mechanical condition and there isn't a huge finance penalty on their balance sheet.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12940 times:

You can ask the same question to JL but they are slowly retiring them similar to NW. For JL they will be all gone in fiscal 2005.

User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12910 times:

I could fly around the world in a DC-10. A "Private Jet" to me. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12888 times:

I'm sorry but I think it is time NW gets with the program and gets completely rid of those old planes. I love the DC-10 but their time is up and there is new and better technology becoming available. I mean, just have to look at all the other airlines who, at one time, operated older jets and they have all upgraded. For example, Delta and their MD-11..........but Hey, I'm not the CEO of NW and therefore I guess we'll be watching those old geysers for awhile.....BTW, this is my first post ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12871 times:

Airgeek12:
"But still.. DC-10 + 9 hrs + me = not happening"

Spoken like a true teenager, no offense, but have you flown on a DC-10? I bet when they are all withdrawn, we will hear the youngsters of a-net bemoaning the fact that they never got to fly on one.

Edit: typo





[Edited 2005-02-05 03:00:32]

User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12857 times:

Just like i never got to fly in a 727-200. It is also one of my fav a/c but i love the DC-10 the best. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12841 times:

CORULEZ05:

why fix something thats not broken? just because "new technology" is becoming availible doesnt mean that, for example the A330, or 767 is a better aircraft than the DC-10 does it?


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12840 times:

@DTW Clipper.....us "youngsters" appreciate the new technology and not to mention how much SAFER these new planes are. So, I can personally say I won't feel sorry for not flying on one...btw, I said I loved the DC-10....appearance wise, have not and WILL not fly on one...give me a CO 772 anytime instead........

User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

@USAF....not Broken? How many times have their been instances where DC-10 have had serious mechanical problems....not Lately BUT not too long ago it happened....and There were several instances. Honestly, just common sense......why Not replace something that is OLD before something really bad goes wrong?.......its All about keeping our sky safe!

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12829 times:

~"not to mention how much SAFER these new planes are"~

 Laugh out loud

Can anyone find the BS in that statement?


So you said that you will refuse to fly on a DC10 if it was at your gate?


Welcome to the forum, kid..



Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12812 times:

CORULEZ05:

Don't agree with you....when I was a youngster I would have given anything to ride on an Electra, Connie, DC-7, Convair 880, or Caravelle, even though the latest thing was the DC-10, 747 & L1011.

I think part of being a a-nutter is to want to fly on everything you can get on whilst they are still in mainline service.

I have flown on all the modern 777's A340, 330, etc, but I have at least flown the early jets like the 727-100, BAC 111's Convair 240's, 707's, and that is something that you just can't take away!



[Edited 2005-02-05 03:13:53]

User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

@MD11....yes, I would change my flight if I saw a DC-10 at my gate. I have been known for doing such a thing when I board a plane and well it looks like it has been around for awhile. I guess I just want that reassurance that a newer plane gives me!.......and thanks for the welcome!

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

I guess I just want that reassurance that a newer plane gives me

What a bunch of BS! Do you really think that NW would launch a plane across the atlantic that was unsafe!

And by the way, the NW DC-10's that I have been on have all been in great shape in BIZ, and those old F/C sleeper seats were better than a lot of the Biz class seats that are out there!


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

CORULEZ05

That plane, a DC-10, has had a C or D check within the last 4 years or so. At that check it was pronounced by certified engineers as being as good or better than any equivalent aircraft which has rolled off the production line in Tolouse, Hamburg or Seattle in the past 24 hours.

So at the absolute maximum between checks it is as safe as a 4 year old aircraft.

Those same engineers have certified that same Airbus or Boeing as safe to fly. So your statement is just flat out wrong.


User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12749 times:

~" have been known for doing such a thing when I board a plane and well it looks like it has been around for awhile"~


..and how do you feel when you hear that the plane you refused to fly on safely made it to its destination.. and you changed your plans for nothing?

Reassurance isn't a bad thing. We all like that.

BTW.. The DC10 was 'newer' when it was having all those accidents..  Big grin

"Aircraft are like fine wine. They get better with age."



Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12746 times:

Oh yea, they clear the aircraft to fly so then why have those engine fires happened shortly after take off not too long ago????? Someone not doing their job perhaps?

User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

@MD-11....VERY HAPPY of course...those pax made it to their destination safely. DUH!........its just a personal preference for me...the newer, the BETTER!

User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

When well maintained (as with all NWA planes) a 25 year old DC10 will not have any more problems than a 1 year old A330.
I flew NW D10 a month ago and it was a nice uneventful flight. OK, the IFE is not very modern, but at least it is large screen  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12717 times:

Oh, dear! How many issues have we had with the the new A330's? A number.

777 has had it's share. How about:

Tuesday, January 6, 2004: A Continental Airlines jet with 294 people on board made an emergency landing at Midway Atoll's Sand Island airfield early today, apparently after suffering an oil pressure problem in one of its engines.


"Someone not doing their job perhaps"

If the A/C is in mainline service, with a major Airline, you can bet that that ship is in great shape. I would have an issue getting on board a brand new A320 with some small third world charter co. (no ofense to any members of the 3 world, just needed an example)!




25 CORULEZ05 : that is ONE instance and nothing as serious as a freaking engine fire!
26 CORULEZ05 : Add on @AMS....my point exactly. You fly a DC-10 and you get outdated Sh**T.......and I'm sorry but you pay the same amount of money regardless of the
27 Dtwclipper : There have been a number of issues, but that's not the point. The issue is the safety of a "mainline" DC-10. You are being rather silly with your beli
28 CORULEZ05 : Well I'm sorry but "a number of issues" is NOT acceptable if you ask me...I want to know that I am safe while in the air.......and I'm sure I am not t
29 WhiteHatter : Sure, it may be old, but it is still great shape. And all the kinks and faults are long since worked out. If it's going to fail then it will have fai
30 NWDC10 : I'm not affraid to fly on an "older" a/c. I'd love to fly on the 727-200 but it looks like i never will. Robert NWDC10
31 Dtwclipper : All aircraft have had their issues. Brand new ones, as well as older ones. Your not making much of a point right now.
32 CORULEZ05 : Good point DTW BUT don't forget that a lot of times it is a mental issue. What I mean by that is, people notice when a plane is older and start to fee
33 Jano : CORULEZ05 I bet that when most pax look at a newly painted DC10-30 in NWA colors they would no think that that DC10-30 is 17+ years old.
34 CORULEZ05 : Don't need a whiz to know that a DC-10 is old.....
35 M404 : Junior1970 Just so you know that as of last week NW ordered eight more 330s to complete the phaseout of DC10.
36 Mspphl : Northwest is not ignorning the market at all. In January they annouced a fleet purchase of eight additional A330 a/c and Steeland said that in 2007 al
37 Planespotting : CORULEZ05 If you really knew jack sh*t about the DC-10 you would realize that the airframe is sound, the construction solid, and that it was one of th
38 Dtwclipper : Well done Planespotting! I have been trying to explain this to our new member, but have had no luck. great post!
39 MSPPHL : I for one will miss the DC-10s at Northwest and as all things go, they will eventurally be replaced. I've been on the A330 DTW-AMS many times and I'm
40 Post contains images Mtnmanmakalu : Its great to see we have another "great" member to the forum with his antagonistic, uneducated statements who's only goal is to stir the pot.... Welco
41 Post contains images FriendlySkies : I've had the "honor" of flying on 3 of UA's DC-10-30s before they were gone...in the middle of coach all 3 times, but it didn't seem much different th
42 NorthwestEWR : i would love to fly on a DC-10 more than an A330 i take a DC-9 over a 737 or a A320 anyday CORULEZ05 you must not know anything about the " Old planes
43 Post contains images CORULEZ05 : Well, I was just expressing my thoughts and feelings about the DC-10....aren't we all entitled to our own opinion....SMILE and don't be so mean....
44 Post contains images Jano : Well, for me it's another DY1 (DC10-30) flight on 3/1 from AMS to MEM. It's a very nice ride
45 CORULEZ05 : you know what, I'll book a flight on a DC-10 with NW...just to see what it is like and so people dont think I am so against the plane.......any ideas
46 APFPilot1985 : Douglas aircraft are built like "brick shithouses" they live for a long long time as long as they are properly taken care of. Hell look at all of the
47 Dtwclipper : You really don't want me to answer that do you? MSP=LGW MEM-AMS As well as HNL to selected asian destinations.
48 Jano : MEM-AMS, SEA-AMS, BOS-AMS
49 CORULEZ05 : As I thought, I am stuck flying to AMS.....question, does NW still fly MIA-AMS....that is most convenient to me.....thanks guys!
50 Lfutia : I have flown on the DC-10 from EWR-AMS-EWR in August 2002 and AMS-BOM-AMS and i made it safely home... btw... BOM-AMS is about 9 hours. i enjoyed ever
51 Jano : NW/KL MIA-AMS is canceled.
52 CORULEZ05 : I am going to document my voyage.....how cool will that be!!!!
53 Lfutia : uhh yeah. we call them trip reports and you can find many DC-10 trip reports in the Airliners.net Trip Reort section.
54 CORULEZ05 : sweet!....I'm new so don't make me feel dumb....come on guys!
55 N867BX : The second (and more memorable for people in the US) was AA 191. Most people know the details surrounding this crash, but to sum it up, AA (and most o
56 Post contains links and images KDTWFlyer : Like many said they are paid for. I think they are awesome considering when they were designed... View Large View MediumPhoto © Ben Pritchard Vie
57 Post contains images N243NW : CORULEZ05- Welcome to the forums. You are entitled to your opinions, no matter how irrational others may consider them. However, I would seriously con
58 CORULEZ05 : well then, I guess I came on too aggressive with my opinion on this aircraft. I tell it how it is and well apparently people have a problem with that.
59 Post contains images 9V-SVC : Well, you folks are lucky to have DC-10s around, I havent flew on one before and really wished to. NW used to fly DC-10 to SIN , the chance of flying
60 Audiodave1 : Hi All, I didn't know that NW still flew them until this week, I had the MEM-AMS flt pop up on ACARS and also had a charter PHL-JAX too. Actually, hav
61 Post contains links and images USAF757300 : CORULEZ05: so let me get this straight, just because the DC-10 is an older a/c you wouldnt fly on it? thats like saying you wouldnt ride in a `65 Ford
62 Post contains images AeroWesty : Are there any Tupolevs still flying into AMS? Maybe when CORULEZ05 takes his DC-10 demo flight, he could make a connection to something really scary?
63 Newark777 : I don't know about the rest of you, but I would definitely try to work my schedule to make sure I get to ride a DC-10, not try to avoid it. Regarding
64 Ejmmsu : MEM-AMS is still on a DC-10. I connect in memphis a lot, and I love seing that beautiful plane sitting there out on the end of the concourse towering
65 Wdleiser : are you stupid Corulez? I doubt on my life you would walk away from that gate. I drive a 73 Chevy Nova SuperSport and everyone is jealous of it, for
66 Burnsie28 : ill tell yah, if a DC-10 was sitting at my gate, id sh*t my pants! I would love to fly on her before she is gone, thats my goal a -30 and a 742. Ive g
67 RayChuang : I do think with the increasing price of Jet A fuel, not to mention more stringent jet engine noise and exhaust emission regulations, may finally force
68 MSP30L : I get a real kick out of those of you who believe that my baby is too OLD to get you to where you're going. I live in MSP, fly NW pretty much everywhe
69 Ktachiya : I mean this is no suprise. I mean look at JO and their operations of DC-10-40's. I mean NW flys the -30 and JO still flies the -40. But with the MD-11
70 Airlinelover : I'd preferr a 30-year-old DC-9 or DC-10 to a 1-year-old A320 or A330 ANYDAY. And as has been said before, one of the biggest factors in keeping the dc
71 BOSSAN : Northwest's outstanding orders for 17 A330s will allow them to retire over the next three years all 19 of the DC-10-30s the airline currently has in s
72 Orion737 : Im due to go next wednesday from LGW-DTW on NW DC10. I was looking forward very much to a ride on the lovely old DC10 but after reading some of these
73 Post contains images AeroWesty : Orion: You shouldn't be concerned at all by what was brought up in this thread. Click on the username of the main fear factor, and you'll see he was j
74 Tnsaf : "Also to blame was UA's shoddy maintenance that failed to detect the imminent failure." Hold on! A review of the details shows that the technicians fo
75 NWAFA : Orion737, No need to worry at ALL! I have flown thousands of hours on the graceful lady. Our DC10-30's were built as recently as 1988. That's younger
76 Post contains images MQrampBOS : One question about NW's DC-10s. Do they still require a 3 person cockpit crew or have they been converted to MD-10? Still, if the cost of the flight e
77 Bennett123 : These aircraft must have a lot of Hours/ Cycles. Does anyone have figures or know what the certified limit is?.
78 Post contains images Jkw777 : Hi guys, Having flown 2 NW DC-10-30 last weekend LGW-DTW then MSP-LGW, I think I can quite happily say that there is nothing wrong with the DC-10. N23
79 MQrampBOS : You were on a 747SP? I'm jealous.
80 FSPilot747 : Good plane. I'd fly the "old metal" anytime. Speaking of which, I miss the 727's. FSP
81 Klc317 : Whenever I fly, I always look to see what aircraft are being used on which flights and sometimes end up getting up an extra hour early or staying up f
82 BAtripleseven : usaf757300 makes a goooood point!! i would do the same. The DC-10 is one of my favorite airplanes i dont know what CORULEZ is talking about.! i would
83 Jalalabad : msp gets a lot of dc10's. it's not like people aren't going to fly northwest here. and if someone didn't want to go on the 10, it'd be an extra connec
84 Post contains images Mtnmanmakalu : Like I have said before, This is my favourite AC we have in the NWA fleet and I will miss the DC-10 when they are finally parked. From a crew standpoi
85 NWDC10 : I really have no place to go but i'd love to fly on the DC-10 just for the excitement. Robert NWDC10
86 Post contains images Jkw777 : I really have no place to go but i'd love to fly on the DC-10 just for the excitement. Robert NWDC10 That's what me and fellow user Chris78cpr did las
87 NWDC10 : I just hope i can get a chance to fly on one before they are phased out. Robert NWDC10
88 BA757 : How long was CORULEZ05 a member before he was banned? What a great start he made... Adam
89 Post contains images Cactus739 : I can't believe two things. 1. this thread has gone on this long. 2. the number of people that went round and round with CORULEZ05...
90 Usairways85 : PHL used to see the DC10 from AMS but that has been cancelled for a while. PHL saw 5 NW charters this week to JAX...2x DC10's, 2x 752's, and a 753.
91 Srbmod : Honestly, it does not matter how old an a/c is; as long as the a/c is properly maintained, they can practically fly for decades. I've flown on a/c bui
92 777STL : "I really have no place to go but i'd love to fly on the DC-10 just for the excitement." True, I think I'm gonna go to AMS this summer and I hope they
93 N229NW : As Planespotting put it: Because DC-10's are the f*cking shit thats why. These babies are dope. Whitehatter et. al. Actually, it is kind of a myth tha
94 JAXFL : The DC-10 aged to perfection by engineers who learned from early accidents.List I can stretch my legs in window seat not like in Airbus 330,where vide
95 Post contains images Amhilde : A few questions and statements.... A pity this thread didnt come up a few weeks ago when I was dithering between an AA and NW flight overseas. In the
96 Post contains images N808NW : I flew on a NW DC-10 this summer. MSP-LGW... N230NW. It was the best flight I ever had. Way nicer than DL's 763 I took on the way back. I knew the DC-
97 Post contains images Nudelhirsch : AA777jr, there were plenty tips posted above. If you don't use the search function, at least read the full thread before posting and reinventing the w
98 Post contains links and images Jkw777 : Hey there, I heard someone say Cabin shots! NW Economy - Very comfortable! NW World Business Class. View Large View MediumPhoto © Justin Wood Als
99 Sabena332 : I had my first flight on a DC10... which is served by A320s today... From STR to HER on DE... My first DC-10 flight was also on DE (DF was their IATA
100 Post contains images N243NW : Tnsaf, Thanks for pointing out my mistake. The mechanics at UA before their infamous crash were doing their job just fine, it's just that the procedur
101 Post contains images PositiveClimb : Wow, this is one long thread... I consider myself (as most of us here, I think...) as a real aviation geek. I would fly on almost everything that has
102 Saxon : CORULEZ probbaly hasnt had the pleasure of flying a DC10. I flew two of the MyTravel DC10-10s from MAN-FUE. Best aircraft I have flown on! Smooth, saf
103 Post contains images AeroWesty : To answer Reply #88: About 3 hours.
104 Afay1 : It is unfortunate that due to new EU noise regulations and fleet changes, CORULEZ will not be able to connect onto a TU-154M. They are far less scary
105 KDTWFlyer : Jkw777 , Those are really good pics... you should do a trip report. The sound of the CF6 engines on takeoff is amazing, especially fore of the engines
106 Post contains images Jkw777 : Jkw777 , Those are really good pics... you should do a trip report. The sound of the CF6 engines on takeoff is amazing, especially fore of the engines
107 MD11LuxuryLinr : ~"To answer Reply #88: About 3 hours."~ The amazing thing is that he was able to torque out 74 posts in those three hours.. ~"CORULEZ probbaly hasnt h
108 NWDC10 : I personally will be sad when NW retires their last DC-10. I'll be looking for one in my parking space at my apartment since it is open (i don't drive
109 JAFA : I am surprised that no one brought up the 3 engine pilot/2 engine pilot thing. I don't think its a valid argument, but then niether is the logic of th
110 Post contains links AeroWesty : the 3 engine pilot/2 engine pilot thing What thing is that? I don't quite understand. The DC-10 has three-person flight deck crew, while the Boeing MD
111 Post contains images Amhilde : Thanks for the piccies Justin- very much appreciated! This year I thought I would make it an "adventure year" and try plenty of new things. So i gues
112 Post contains images N867BX : I believe NW has the last three DC10's to roll off the line. Can anyone verify this? I think they got em from Thai. The DC9's are older, have any thre
113 RootsAir : The problem with DC 10's is just that for conomy class its really a hard time trying to watch a movie. You have like one single screen in the frontfor
114 PA101 : I personally have been on many DC10-flights and wouldn't hesitate to board another one immediately (besides, I have been on pretty old planes before -
115 Post contains links and images Jkw777 : Heya, As promised: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/54340/ Hope you all enjoy! Regards, Justin
116 PA101 : And I have to disagree with him once more, I think almost no 'normal' passenger would be able to figure out the age of a freshly painted DC10 just by
117 SATL382G : I just read this whole thread. I find it interesting that no one has brought up the DC-10 design flaws..... The 2 baggage door loss accidents (THY & A
118 KaiGywer : I've flown the DC10 twice on NW and I liked it. Nice comfy seats, and not too loud. I am flying to Norway this summer, and even though it means an ext
119 Dtwclipper : SATL382G: All of the design flaws you speak of have been fixed. The rear cargo door was taken care of in the early 70's. The AA problem was caused by
120 NWAFA : : KaiGywer On KLM, only on the MD11 do they leave the bar cart out at door 3. In a few months they will be stopping that.
121 AeroWeanie : Getting back to the original question (kind of), I have always thought it was funny that NWA (and JAL) insisted that Douglas put JT9Ds on the DC-10, c
122 Bobnwa : Northwest didn't "dump" their DC-10-40 fleet until they had flown them for about 20 something years. They got a lot of good use out of them.
123 N1120A : >Getting back to the original question (kind of), I have always thought it was funny that NWA (and JAL) insisted that Douglas put JT9Ds on the DC-10,
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