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Bill Would Boost Pilot Retirement Age  
User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Congress is discussing a bill which could change the mandatory age for pilot retirement.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/01/25/airlines.pilots.reut/index.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Two senior congressional Republicans reintroduced legislation Monday to raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots by five years to 65.

Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma and Rep. Jim Gibbons of Nevada said the regulation currently enforced is outdated and changing it over time would save jobs and retain experienced pilots.

"Our nation has hundreds of experienced, skilled, and capable pilots. Unfortunately, they cannot fly for any commercial airline because once they turn 60 they are forced to retire," said Gibbons, a former airline pilot.

Previous attempts to rescind the 44-year-old rule have failed, including one during the last session of Congress by Inhofe and Gibbons.

Absent safety data showing conclusively otherwise, the FAA continues to believe that overall cognitive abilities necessary for being an effective airline pilot may begin to deteriorate at 60.

But some critics have said the rule is an economic tool that benefits airlines because it allows them to replace expensive senior pilots with lower paid ones.

Leaders of the largest commercial airline pilots union, the Air Line Pilots Association, are reviewing the age 60 rule this year to stake out the position of the group's 64,000 members.

Some pilots wish to remain on the job longer to try and recoup wages and retirement benefits lost to the wholesale airline cost cuts of the past few years.

The union believes 60 is an arbitrary age, but also wants to ensure that any change, for which it would have to lobby, would not affect safety.


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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

I hope this bill passes. As tough as the first class medicals are to maintain as well as company physicals these days- it pretty much weeds out the guys who aren't gonna make it. As long as a pilot over 60 is healthy and able to pass all the re-currency and medical exams- Why Not? I'm pretty sure the FAA medical division has plenty of Data pertaining to this bill which should help it pass. The bad part is it'll keep more young pilots out of getting that first airline job.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

I hope this bill passes. I feel a pilot should not be forced to stop flying commercially at 60 when they can more than do a great job up until the age of 65.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Plus, it's an undeniable fact that the necessary age of retirement is continuing to climb in the United States. Between student tuition loans, ect... I'll be lucky if I retire before 70  Big grin

User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

FAA continues to believe that overall cognitive abilities necessary for being an effective airline pilot may begin to deteriorate at 60
I wonder if the FAA requires its own pilots to retire at 60? Hmm...

I'm pretty sure the FAA medical division has plenty of Data pertaining to this bill which should help it pass.
Logic and the government don't always go together.

The bad part is it'll keep more young pilots out of getting that first airline job.
Not really. If the bill passes, pilots would have to retire at 65 instead of 60. They would still retire, some may choose to leave early (as they do now). But there will always be retirements.


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

you should see the European Class 1 requirements vs the FAA....the FAA is a joke man.... i wish we had the FAA standards over here lol


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

The bill has been tried before and the the FAA twisted enough arms in Congress to get it to fail. It may happen again UNLESS there is a compromise to say,age 62 or 63.
We will see where this goes............again.
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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Nycfuturepilot,

Since you want to be a pilot, I'm surprised you want to see this pass... I for one hope all these guys finally hang it up to make room for us young guys. Once you get to 60, you've pretty much "been there" and "done that"... If you want to keep flying, go buy a piper cub or something  Smile


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
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This is somehow connected to the airlines dumping pension plans onto the PBGC, which will only pay reduced pensions to pilots retiring at age 60 because they consider 65 to be the full retirement age. If they retire at age 65 they will get considerably more from the PBGC than if they retire at 60.


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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Don't you have to retire at 50 for BA or is that just a myth?

User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Corey07850,

Once you get to 60, you've pretty much "been there" and "done that"...
This is true to a point. Thomas Block, who was a B767 Captain for USAirways (and columnist for FLYING) retired early. His reasoning was that there was no where left for him to go. Sure, he could have moved up to the A330 but he would be flying it to the same destinations he was already flying to. The airline offered him a hansom early retirement (better than what he would get at 60), and he hung up his stripes.

But it was his choice. Many people don't want to retire at 60 because the love the job, need the money, etc. Your tune may change once you reach that point. There will still be plenty of room for us "young guys."


User currently onlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

The argument that 60 is "old" is outdated and without merit. Remember, Social Security (which many of you young guys may never see) was set up so people would earn benefits until the expected age of death, which was about 67. We now know how off target that figure is.
The best argument for the raising of the retirement age is the United pilot who was able to bring down the DC-10 in Sioux Falls after losing all of the hydraulic systems in the plane. I believe he was making his penultimate (the one before his last for those who need a translation) trip and he was probably the most qualified person to be in that cockpit at the time. What a shame to see him have to retire.
The other side of the coin, however, is that this would cost the airlines millions more in wages and benefits for the more senior pilots.
FLY2LIM



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