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JAL DC10s Just Have To Go....  
User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Flew MNL-NRT in C yesterday on a DC10....ugh!

That plane is old and creaky...it really does not reflect well on JAL. Going down to MNL it was an old and creaky B747 with the small upper-deck and that was bad enough, but the DC10....that was real bad.

I guess MNL is not highly valued by JAL and that's why they use the planes that are due to be scrapped.... Next time I'll take PAL.

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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

You'll miss them when the do go. DC-10s are superb imho. Huge windows, 2 seats beside the window rather than three and a take off roar like no other.

User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

many people probabely complained about the el ten eleven but now that they are gone they are missed. let me know next time you have dc-10 or 747 tickets. id love to fly on one.

if you are looking for a plane to hate may i suggest the md-80

--COAMiG29--



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineJohnBerg From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

I flew on one this summer from Beijing to Tokyo, and had no complaints. Although it was not as quiet as a more modern aircraft, I found it to have more legroom, and a smooth flight. I felt it was nice to fly on a -10 before it will be retired for good.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4269 times:
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The DC-10s are going. 4 this fiscal year, the rest should be gone by next year.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

COAMiG29,

Why the hate of the MD80? I admit they aren't as appealing to the eye as a 747 or 738 but they are a workhorse and a pretty damn good plane.

I love the DC10. I love flying to Brazil on VG. That MD11 is so sweet. Powerful and more comfortable and quiet than the 767!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

NWA flies a 747-400 with new WBC lay flat seats everyday on the NRT to MNL run.

Safe Flying  Smile

Enjoy a movie on Demand or two and the great service of the MNL crews !



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

One thing I admire about JAL is that they have kept their Diesel-10s in service for as long as they have.

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
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I think i've done all the -10 flying i'll get to do,though I would like thet one last flight,we'll miss her when she's gone!


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Yet they retired the MD-11s first...


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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

I would also love to get another chance to fly on a DC10 again. My first interconti trip as kid was on a PR DC10 when I was 4 years old (I still have some memories though). Back in '83 they flew from AMS via FCO, ATH and BAH to BKK. Then on to MNL and down to SYD. Geeh, that was an awesome trip.

Have been on NW and HA DC10s too. I just love that wonderful trijet. I also loved the L1011s (I have only flown it on DL). On the TriStars I really liked the lav-arrangement in the back. Five Lavs - that was pretty cool. You didn't have to wait that long. Those classics simply cannot be compared to A330s/A340s/767s/777s - they were much more elegant and seemed to have their own personality.

However, the only downpart about getting on a DC10 again (I probably won't) is that most them probably won't have the improved seats, IFE and other ammenities the newer jets in the fleets all have. That's too bad...

[Edited 2005-02-06 13:16:47]

[Edited 2005-02-06 13:17:18]

User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

I have also flown JAl's DC-10 between HKG-FUK several year ago. I must say that I have to agree with Snoopy, because this particular DC-10 was so old and so worn, and was making kind of a strange noise! ( I have flown many times on DC-10's), so I know this aircraft type well. Again when you fly JL, you do have some expectations, with my respect to the DC-10.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3846 times:

My 'last' DC-10 flight was in October from Dhaka to Hong Kong. I expect that Biman will still be flying theirs for a few years yet. You can probably get spares pretty cheaply from the Mohave now. Will JAL have an official last flight of their DC-10?

User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Also, I always see a JAL DC-10 in BKK each time I land there. Have these been retired yet? I've not seen one in HKG for a while though  Sad

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Why refurbish a plane that will be at the most be with their fleet for a little over a year from now. Though a couple may be kept a little longer as operational spares and for charter flights.

User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

COAMiG29,

Why the hate of the MD80? I admit they aren't as appealing to the eye as a 747 or 738 but they are a workhorse and a pretty damn good plane.

I love the DC10. I love flying to Brazil on VG. That MD11 is so sweet. Powerful and more comfortable and quiet than the 767!

>>i dont like the md-80 because the ones i have been on are trashed out, small, cramped, smelly, and loud. there are nice ones out there but if you are out of dfw and aa is only nonstop you can count on a crappy plane.



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

unfortunantely i have never been on a 10 or md11 where do they fly i want to go on one before its too late.


If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

COAMiG29 -

See this thread from yesterday--it should answer your question:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1944177/

 Smile



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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2959 times:
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I was afraid of seeing a post about this. In March, I wll be connecting to JAL's NRT-MNL flight on a DC-10 from CO's IAH-NRT flight on a 777. Should be a very interesting comparison. I'll definitely have to remember to compare window size between the two.

Does anyone know the average age of JAL's DC-10 fleet?


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Real smart post Snoopy. In my opinion, the idea of web sites like Airliners.net is to preserve and enjoy aviation. The thrill of going to the airport to watch wonderful aircraft like the 727's, DC-10's & L1011's, etc. is all but gone. Do any of you really get a thrill out watching A320 after 737 after A320? If the DC-10 bothers you that much, go find another hobby like collecting software!

User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Crownvic i couldent agree more. Welcome to my Ru list.  Smile

snoopy unless you find pleasure in watching great planes like the dc10 be cut up in arizona i would watch what you say. when the 10s are gone everyone will miss them. just like the 707 and 727



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

People love to bust the champ in the chops every chance they get....especially when he's down.

Get used to it.....those well built MD's will be flying long after those tincan competitors are reduced to scrap. Still see DC-8's daily flying overhead and will for years to come (and the DC-8 doesn't even have slats for goodness sake  Wink/being sarcastic ) Gotta love MD!!!!!!!



User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

I don't see any problem with Snoopy's post. He has an opinion and stated it. If you disagree with the opinion, that does not make his ideas incorrect.

User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

God how i miss the old MD-11. I remember my flight to Paris on one!!! What a flight. And when the DC-10's are gone...........................it will truly be a sad day in aviation  Sad

User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Crownvic and COAMig29...I enjoy aircraft just like anyone else. I'm quite happy to donate to preserve historic aircraft. You'll see a photo I put on here of a DC-3 that I saw in New Zealand. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing it and would give an arm and a leg to fly in one.

That doesn't mean when I am flying on business and I pay good money to fly business class, I have to like being stuck in a plane that is almost 30 years old (!) when the competition is flying a spanking brand new A340 (and please don't go on about A vs B - I wouldn't care if it was a B777). The fact is, from an airline marketing point of view, it just doesn't cut the mustard...

The sad thing was that when I got off the plane at NRT, there were a whole row of JAL DC-10s ready to operate the late night flights to Hawaii. Now that's a deterrent if ever there was one.

This forum is for exchanging views by aviation enthusiasts, airline staff and hey, why not, passengers too. If everyone agreed on everything this place would die...and the last thing we need is the "thought police" like you guys. Do me a favour....grow up will you?


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

I recently flew on a 747classic on JL. The seats were new but the lavatories/signage were still vintage 70s. Leg room wasn't bad. Since there is no PTVs in econ, there's no IFE box that restricts leg room like in the 763ERs.

Unfortunately, the DC-10 is catching up to the sign-of-times. The 763ER & 772, at least for JL, are just much more efficient. At least FedEx's 10s will be flying for a long-long time.

JL's remaining fleet of DC-10 should be within the 25-30 year old range.


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