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US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Could you guys please provide me with a little information about US Airways Express.

I know very little about the regional airline market in the US and only familiar with the mainlines. When I travelled with US Airways from the UK to NYC I flew via their PHL hub and got a connecting US Airways Express flight up to LGA.

While at Terminal F at PHL waiting for regional flight I have never seen to many RJ all in one place. Under the US Airways livery many said "US Airways Express - Operated by..." I lost count of the different names.

I flew up to LGA on an EMB 145 operated by Chautauqua Airline (I don't even think I can pronouce it!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Does US Airways own all the these Express carriers and are they just carrying these names as they use to be called these airlines before being swallowed up by the carrier as a legacy? Or are they like to put it in simple terms franchise carriers like in the UK where BA has GB Airways and British Mediteraanen operating under their colours and offering the same service but are in actual fact owned by different people.

If they are owned my other airlines and operating as a franchise does that mean the crews working on these aircraft have got different terms to the poor old mainline staff at US Airways that have undergone so many cutbacks.

Sorry there are so many questions but Im just curious.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

>I flew up to LGA-CLT on an EMB 145 operated by Chautauqua Airline (I don't even think I can pronouce it!)<

Shhhah-Tak-Waa

>Does US Airways own all the these Express carriers and are they just carrying these names as they use to be called these airlines before being swallowed up by the carrier as a legacy? Or are they like to put it in simple terms franchise carriers like in the UK where BA has GB Airways and British Mediteraanen operating under their colours and offering the same service but are in actual fact owned by different people.<

US does actually own a few of its express carriers, they include PSA (the late, much loved Pacific Southwest Airlines that is now just a midwest regional), Piedmont (a similarly loved mid-atlantic/south carrier), and Mid-Atlantic (set up by US to get around work rules). Chautauqua, Mesa, and the others are all franchise carriers that work on contract with US. The most popular version of these contracts is fee-per-departure, where the mainline pays a flat rate and then charges and markets as they wish. There is also the actual "franchise" agreement, where a carrier will market their own routes and get to use the mainline's colors, name and res system for a fee.

[Edited 2005-02-07 01:13:09]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

PSA the late, much loved Pacific Southwest Airlines that is now just a midwest regional

PSA of old is in no way any relation to the USAirways Express carrier.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

>PSA of old is in no way any relation to the USAirways Express carrier.<

I wish I could say that was true, but it isn't. PSA Airlines flies on the PSA operating certificate.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3781 times:

Really.....? the current PSA dates back to Jetstream International and Vee Neal.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3779 times:

>Really.....? the current PSA dates back to Jetstream International and Vee Neal. <

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DSGN_CODE=VNAA&OPER_FAR=121&OPER_NAME=PSA+AIRLINES+INC



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3762 times:

...and...?? What does that tell me...?? The old PSA was already long in business by then, so how would they have an operating certificate dated 1979. Vee Neal (Jetstream international) was given their operating certificate in 1979. Sorry, the PSA web site does not offer a specific date. Heck, their operation number starts with VN..!! That's for Vee Neal.

[Edited 2005-02-07 02:26:49]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3753 times:

>The old PSA was already long in business by then, so how would they have an operating certificate dated 1979. Vee Neal (Jetstream international) was given their operating certificate in 1979. Sorry, the PSA web site does not offer a specific date.<

That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979. That PSA is what is left of the old PSA, including the trademarked acronym.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3748 times:

That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979

..and that is correct. Before 1979, Southwest only flew WITHIN the state of Texas. When they begin to fly outside the state of Texas a new operating certificate was required....... which drove all the Wright Amendment crap



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User currently offlineSprxUSA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3729 times:

And an acronym is a set of letters that you say together like it is one word. As in PANAGRA, VASP, VARIG, etc. Not as in TWA, PSA or anything like that. Just another pet peeve of mine.

So the list is so far:
PSA
Piedmont
MidAtlantic
Mesa
Air Midwest
Chautauqua/Republic Holdings


Any others?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3723 times:

>That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979

..and that is correct. Before 1979, Southwest only flew WITHIN the state of Texas. When they begin to fly outside the state of Texas a new operating certificate was required....... which drove all the Wright Amendment crap<

Hmm, strange, as PSA was in the same boat. They could only fly Intra-California until deregulation.



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User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3716 times:

Trans States, aka Waterski, flies E145s in US Ex colors.

User currently offlineARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3680 times:

PSA = Pennsylvania Southern Airlines, This is the company that operated the D328s out of PHL and PIT.

User currently offlineUswyjer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3663 times:

Colgan Air runs B1990s and Saab 340s around up in the Northeast, some point to point and some hub feeder work.

User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3646 times:

Actually, PSA is not an acronym. In the mid-1990's US was in danger of losing the rights to the PSA name, so they renamed Jetstream International as PSA. It stands for nothing. It has always been based in Dayton, since its Piedmont Commuter days so it definitely doesn't stand for Pennsylvania Southern Airlines. You are probably thinking of Pennsylvania Airlines which was renamed Allegheny, for the same reasons, around the same time.

The US Express carriers are:
Trans States (RJ & Prop)
Colgan (Prop)
Chautauqua (RJ)
Mesa (RJ & Prop)
PSA (RJ)
Piedmont (Prop)
Air Midwest (prop) -- owned by Mesa but on a separate certificate
Mid-Atlantic -- has express titles but technically is a division of Mainline.


User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3622 times:

Actually PSA(Jetstream International Airlines) was founded in Pennsylvania and later moved headquarters to Dayton, Ohio.

Chris


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