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User currently offlineNwlover From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

I am flying Sun Country this week from MSP to MCO. What can I expect? Comfortable seats or horrid budget airline comfort. Is there a difference between the Sun Country planes and the planes leased from Transavia?

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Leather seats that were fine when I flew them last year. A pretty new 738 as well. I think they are a great airline. Take a detour to IFP and we can hit the casinos and do some spotting!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

How is the seat pitch on Sun Country?


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I don't know the specs but they were as comfortable as the CO 739 I have flown recently from CLE-LAS.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

>>Is there a difference between the Sun Country planes and the planes leased from Transavia?<<

Unfortunately, yes. If you're on a SY plane, you'll love it.. you can also upgrade to first class at the gate for $35, I believe. If you're on a Transavia plane, it's a different story.



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User currently offlineBob7273757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Hi to all!!

Is Sun Country Hiring Pilots?


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2975 times:
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My friend flew SY from SFO-MSP over Christmas, and he swears he will never fly another airline. He used to fly HP, but claims SY has better seats, and he didn't have to connect. They also usually have the lowest prices on any given route. I don't know about arriving in outstations, but arriving in MSP is the easiest ever. The HHH terminal is very easy to navigate, and he said from the door opened until he left the airport took about 15 minutes.


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

I heard its a very good ailine serving caviar and champagne on business class flights


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

KaiGywer,

Your friend is right on! I took a day trip to Denver and flew them last year. They were great! They do turn their planes around as good as anyone. just got back from IFP and watched them turn around flight 101 to 102 and depart. Got some pics too. I may fly them again soon. I am still hoping they send their newest bird N807SY here! It's usually 805 though.  Angry


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2853 times:
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I am just looking forward to the day I reach 50.000 miles in my WorldPerks account, so I can get my two free tickets, and can start flying whoever is cheapest, not whoever will give me NW miles  Smile From MSP a lot of times this means SY, but sometimes others. NW will meet SY prices on certain routes, but not all.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
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How is the seat pitch on Sun Country?

I believe it's somewhere around 29-30 inches, which isn't very good, but hey, you can't beat there fares!


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

The airline is fantastic! I flew them twice in 2004 (MSP-MCO July 2004, MSP-JFK December 2004). It was great everytime! I flew MSP-MCO down in first class. The seats were amazing, the prices were fantastic, and they served a full breakfast on a tray. On the way back we got a Transavia plane, but still got a sandwich on the way back in coach (it was all coach). Then in December I flew MSP-JFK coach and we received a few sandwiches which are HOT by the way, and JFK-MSP at night. The JFK-MSP flight was really empty (contrary to the few times I flew SY JFK-MSP at night which were PACKED) and was comfortable. We got a rather large pastrami sandwich which was HOT, and a while later they said we can have loads more as they had a lot of sandwiches! EVERYTIME I've flown SY I was impressed by everything, including the price!

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
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Some info I gathered about Sun Country:



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Sun Country Airlines 737-800 Next Generation Characteristics:
Number of Engines 2
Engine Type CFM56-7B27
Engine Manufacturer GE/Snecma
Wingspan 112'7"
Length 129'6"
Height 41'2"
First Class Seat Pitch 39"
Coach Class Seat Pitch 31"-33"
Total Seats 162
Maximum Cruise Altitude 41,000 feet
Normal Cruise Speed 530 mph
Maximum Range 2600 Nautical Miles (3000 SM)
Y class seat width 17"
F class seat width 21"

Some variations exist in seat widths due to specific requirements like emergency exit and seats used in the non-constant section of the aircraft, the numbers provided are average and there are some variations in seat models.



Sun Country Airlines 737-800 Next Generation Features:


Large overhead bins


Leather seats in first and coach class


Audio entertainment


Enhanced security procedures and equipment to ensure the safety of passengers and crew.


Advanced flight deck with the latest communication & navigation systems


Fuel efficient - environmentally friendly


Young fleet - average aircraft age is only 3 years with new aircraft arriving in 2005.



Also recently announced:

Sun Country to expand its service

Sun Country Airlines, known for its winter flights to warm-weather destinations, said Monday that it will start flying twice daily to major U.S. cities.

The Mendota Heights-based carrier will double its flights to Denver, Dallas, Las Vegas, New York and Seattle, Sun Country President Jay Salmen said Monday in an interview.

"We are not attempting to dramatically expand our route structure, but we are trying to put depth in our schedule," Salmen said.

Still, the new service represents a big expansion for Sun Country, which shut down in 2001 under the previous ownership. The old Sun Country was in deep financial distress two years after introducing low-fare flights to 15 cities served by Northwest Airlines.

The latest expansion comes at a time when most airlines are losing money.

Although Salmen sees strong growth potential for Sun Country, he said high fuel prices wiped out the carrier's anticipated 2004 profit. "We were projecting about a $5 million bottom-line profit," he said. "The fuel increases ate up our profit to the point where we are right around break-even."

Sun Country is flying 11 Boeing 737s for its winter flight schedule, an increase of two planes from last winter. Sun Country now flies to 32 destinations.

Salmen and CEO Robert Daly have been leading Sun Country since it emerged from bankruptcy in April 2002. Daly was the lead investor in a group called MN Airlines, which purchased key Sun Country assets for $3.1 million from U.S. Bank, the only secured creditor.

The old Sun Country was a charter carrier in April 1997 when Bill La Macchia, of Mark Travel in Milwaukee, bought it for a reported $41 million.

La Macchia and his son, Bill Jr., converted Sun Country to a scheduled service airline competing against Eagan-based Northwest. Sun Country expanded rapidly, rolled up massive losses, and laid off about 900 employees when it shut down in December 2001.

Sun Country's new owners and executives have gradually expanded the airline's flight schedule, fleet and workforce.

Salmen said Sun Country has focused on building a customer base that wants low fares, nonstop service and the option of a first-class cabin.

The move to twice-daily flights to New York and other major cities will occur in May. Although Sun Country's business peaks in the winter, Salmen said, "The day in, day out, year-round business is to core cities in the United States."

Other core cities that will be covered by daily service on Sun Country are Cancun, Fort Myers, Los Angeles, Orlando, Phoenix, San Diego and San Francisco.

Sun Country's leased planes are four years old or less. In March, Sun Country will take delivery of two new 737s from the Boeing factory.

Sun Country lost $14.2 million in 2002 but posted net income of $3.3 million in 2003. It opened 2004 with a $6 million profit in the first quarter but closed out the full year on a break-even basis.

Sun Country's payroll now approaches 750 people.

After the new ownership group formed in 2002, Sun Country's unionized pilots and flight attendants agreed to two-year pay freezes. Pilots and flight attendants got a 3 percent pay raise last March, and another 3 percent pay increase will take effect on March 1.

In recent weeks, Salmen said that Sun Country recalled 50 pilots and 60 flight attendants. There are now about 130 pilots -- down from about 285 at the time of the bankruptcy -- and 230 flight attendants working for Sun Country.

Management started negotiating with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) in November, and the parties were at the bargaining table Monday.

"We feel that the pilots have given back to get the company up and running," said Bruce Achterling, chairman of Sun Country ALPA. Now, he said the airline is interested in a long-term contract. "We would hope there would be annual increases," Achterling said.

Under the old Sun Country, Boeing 727s were being flown by three-pilot crews. The new Sun Country is flying an all-737 fleet that requires two-pilot crews.

The new owners have succeeded in part because they started with virtually no debt and are operating fuel-efficient planes, Achterling said. "The people in charge are looking at the dollars and cents," he said, and that rigorous cost-control has been beneficial for the company.

Sun Country's flight attendants will open negotiations with management on Feb. 9. The pilot and flight attendant contracts are both amendable on March 31.

As the airline has grown, furloughed flight attendants have been called back to their old jobs. "Every flight attendant on the seniority list has had the opportunity to come back," said Joe Battaglia, a Teamsters business agent who represents Sun Country flight attendants.

There are 78 flight attendants on the list of 308 who have not accepted recalls, but they will retain their recall rights for five years, he said.





User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

My brother recently flew this airline from RSW-MSP because it was the only direct flight he found although I found out that NW operates direct also but Sun Country was more convenient time wise. I spoke to him shortly after his trip since I was very uneasy about him flying this unknown airline to us....first time for him on it. He said he was satisfied with it. Friendly crew, comfortable leather seats, and best of all....they were right on time. So overall, he said it was good.....however, your expectations might be higher and therefore we could all sit here and say it is great but you might hate it.....you get what you pay for in the end......

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

My brother was recently hired by them.


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User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

I have flown SY many times between PHX, SAN and MSP. Have loved every trip with them. Great service, you actually get a hot sandwich with them, unlike pretzels on most airlines. They also have two beverage services, which keeps you satisfied. Over all for the price you pay, it is a fantastic airline, I am very happy that they are still around. Keep up the good work SY,
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User currently offlineJalalabad From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

transavia planes must be 28" in coach. the SY planes have 30", except for the new SY plane, 807, which i think is 32". transavia planes have 184 coach seats, SY ones have 150 (and 12 first class).

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
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transavia planes must be 28" in coach.


I flew MSP-LAS on one of the Transavia planes and I swear to god there was no leg room, that must be why. I'm only 5'9 and darn near had to sit sideways.


User currently offlineJalalabad From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

yeah they are pretty cramped and i'm 5'8". the thin seats on the new planes coming from boeing are pretty comfortable, though. i used to work for SY, so I've been on every plane many, many times.  Smile

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

I flew 805 last year. Those Transavia birds are terrible. I wish 807 would make a stop here I want to see it so bad.

CORULEZ05,

Never heard of SCY? You have to be on the east coast! No worries SCY is solid, much better than NW and growing steadily. They should grab Gordo to be CEO. In 5 years they would have 5 new 739s and have some daily service into this airport and into LAS too! Maybe even a shuttle between IFP and LAS (Don Laughlin would explode!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

SCY's on time record is the best. Every time I go to spot they are always early and turn that plane around nicely!


User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2461 times:

From the Sun Country website: (Veeerrrryy Interesting)

This concerns the arrival of the first new Sun Country 737NG from Boeing:

In respectful acknowledgement of Sun Country's business roots, the plane will be named "El Clan Braniff". Sun Country was founded by 13 former Braniff employees in 1982 when the Dallas-based airline ceased operations. Three of the original founders of Sun Country, Bob Daly, Chairman of the Board and CEO of Sun Country, Jim Olsen, COO and Joan Smith, Vice President of In-Flight Services, among others, came forward in 2002 and helped to bring Sun Country out of bankruptcy.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2439 times:

That had to be a special day last October when they took delivery of that bird. I am dying to spot 807. I wonder if I can catch it at LAS in the next few days. I sure hope SCY expands their service here at IFP! I know the airport would love it, especially when they finally finish the new terminal, whenever that is!  Angry

User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Flew on one of the Transavia planes last July from Denver to Minneapolis. It was terrible. Seat pitch was awful. No audio entertainment. We did get hot sandwiches and it was a short flight. Anything much longer and I would have gone insane. I need to try them again on a flight operated with their own metal to be able to fairly judge them.

Dinker



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User currently offlineSPL From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Flew the Transavia B737-800's several times to my holiday destinations. And indeed it's very small seat pitch. But's normal for a holiday airline I think? Strange that Sun Country isn't changing the configuration??? They are using the planes several months and not only for a few flights.


Groeten Martijn


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Yes those Transavia planes are a nightmare. Anybody have any info on if they will be phased out or how many they are using as compared to last year? Here at IFP I have barerly seen them as opposed to last year when that's all I saw here. Those white ugly planes! Terrible liverey if I ever saw one!

25 Jalalabad : 6 this winter, 5 last winter. PH-HZJ stayed with SY over the summer. SY is scheduled to take delivery of few new ones from Boeing next month (I think
26 Ramprat74 : Didn't they tear down the Sun Country hangar in MSP? I thought I read that somewhere.
27 TWFirst : >>Didn't they tear down the Sun Country hangar in MSP? I thought I read that somewhere.
28 Continental : "PH-HZJ stayed with SY over the summer." Yep, I flew that in late July MCO-MSP. Luckily we were able to get bulkhead seats, but I tried the seats in t
29 Post contains links and images RampRat74 : They moved it to the west side of the field along Cedar Avenue. I take its one of three in this pic? View Large View MediumPhoto © Timothy Hannan
30 Jalalabad : it's the furthest left one. the next one over is champion air, and the next one over is mesaba/airlink. the old one was torn down. the new one fits 4
31 NIKV69 : Thanks for the info Jalalabad, I have only seen HZI here I think this winter. Thankfully. Those white ugly things are bad, especially since their own
32 Post contains images Derik737 : Seat pitch is as follows: SCA aircraft have 39" pitch in first class, 31"-33" in coach depending on the row. The new Weber 5600 seats on N807SY feel a
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