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64 More Firm Confirmations For The 787 By Summer!?  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

we have been speculating how many more orders and/or confirmations Boeing will see soon....given from what is said in the text...any guesses as to who will order (or firm) up what?

That being said, anyone believe there are going to be more potential orders to bring it over 250?

"The time for aircraft sales is a "complicated, long process," says 787 Program Manager Mike Bair. "The Chinese are wonderful negotiators and they're very patient." He says Boeing is holding commitments for 250 787s even though it has made public only 186. The others are awaiting announcement decisions by carriers."

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/02075wna.xml


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

250 orders by mid-2005 seems more conservative than 200 by year-end 2004.

The surprise for me (perhaps I just hadn't been paying attention) was that the wingspan for the B787-8/9 has been increased to 197 feet. That means each wing will be less than one foot shorter than those of the B777-200ER. Could the wingspan increase have been made in preparation for an eventual B787-10 to replace the B777-200ER?


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

The wingspan increase is interesting. I was wondering if they did it because they needed to improve performance, or whether they found it was a more optimal configuration, or was it something they did to make a future stretch easier.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Does anyone know yet the expected fuel capacity of a B787-8/9?

User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

It won't replace the 777-200er or won't be a direct competitor due to the pax capacity. As far as I knew the 787-900 was going to have a lower 200's range...but obviously they haven't frozen the design yet so who knows. Maybe concordeboy could speculate on (if any) intrusion on the 777's market share is possible.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

OK, whether you use 191 or 250 orders+commitments, the 787 is the fastest-selling Boeing airliner ever during upon launch. I'm guessing this also tops any airliner Airbus has ever pitched. Does it also ring true for other airliners?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

It sounds like the 787-8/9 wingspan increase is prepping for a high capacity 787. I won't be surprised if we see Boeig increase the seating to 280-290 for the -9 and get orders for this plane from Qatar, Emirates and possible Ethiad.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

I certainly think that Boeing will have close to 300 commitments by the end of the year. Once they've freezed the design and produced a few more prototype test sections of the fuselage, as well as demonstrated more clearly that their vision will lead to greater profitability then we could really see an influx of orders. It will also help if they could point to data tha tshows that the 787 will be mroe economical that the 350 thus blunting whatever edge Airbus had late last year when the announced the 350.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

will they keep the "new" nose and dolphin fin on the 787 or will it look more like the 777??


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

I think that will still see the shark or dolphin fin on the tail but we may even see the whale fin!!  Laugh out loud

I think the nose design has been firmed and that Boeing is finishing up more test for the tail config. They'll firm that up in the next couple of months probably but all the concept drawing are still showing the "shark/dolphin/whale" fin config.



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User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

What´s the difference between "firm confirmations", commitments, "preliminary agreement", "purchase rights" and agreements(source:boeing)?
How many are really ordered?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Maddy:

56 signed, announced orders. (firm confirmations)
135 unsigned, announced orders. (announced commitments)
59 unsigned, unannounced orders. (unannounced commitments)

Purchase rights == options, for which there are at least 101.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Boeing has also received several hundred refundable deposits which airlines paid to reserve a production slot. Boeing's 200-sales-in-2004 was based on their assessment of how quickly they could convert these reservations into genuine orders. Obviously, the process took longer than expected, but it's likely that Boeing still has many additional reservation deposits over and above the 250 commitments that Mike Bair mentioned.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

My money is on SQ order being announced @ Le Bourget this year. Also watch out for Emirates... though this will be a close call with A350 being available.

And to all people putting down A350... just wait and see when it comes out. It will give Boeing more headache than you can imagine... just wait and see...

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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Does anyone know yet the expected fuel capacity of a B787-8/9?

122,420L for the -8 and -9, i dunno about the -3.


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