767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6731 times:
Boeing should have just upgraded the 757 and then they wouldn't have to worry about launching this. If JAL wanted something in the single-aisle, 220 pax market...the 757 would have been it. Damn shame the 757 is gone...best airplane in it's class.
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Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
But the 757 would not have commonality with the smaller 737s.
787-8 carries 223 passengers in 3 classes, while the physically same sized 787-3 carries 290+ passengers in 2 classes, and some huge number in 1 class. The 737-900X carries 220 pax in one class
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Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
I think if they wanted a 220 seater, they could have selected the available modern 220 seater offered to them. However other factors obviously were of overriding importance.
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6597 times:
Here's JAL's press release that mentions the -900X
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6526 times:
I was thinkng that if they needed 220 seats why didnt they order the 757-200 before the line was shut down? That was one damn fine airplane, and Boeing would not have to go through all the developemnt of the 900X that will now be required for this.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6396 times:
The 757 WAS a fine airplane. But, why fly 737s and 757s, which share nothing in common, when you can fly all 737s? It makes financial sense. Further, it is no sweat of Japan's back that Boeing has to spend money to develop a product they want.
Also, the 757 was a much longer range airplane than the 737-900.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6333 times:
Ugh.
Again, this is 220 seats in a one class configuration. The 737-900X is the same size as the 739. This is just Boeing finally catching it up to the A321.
The 757 in a one class configuration could hold what, 250 or 260 passengers?
Boeing needs the 739X. The 739 is a black sheep in the lineup.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6284 times:
Gigneil:
If the 737-900 is the black sheep, what does that make the 737-600?
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Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
The 737-600 is a quality competitor to the A318.
The 737-900 is not a quality competitor to the A321.
That was my only basis for that particular comment.
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6052 times:
Udo,
The B736 is the dark grey sheep, because its sales figures are better than the B739's.
Yes, but in the long run I wouldn't be surprised if the B739 overtakes the B736 in orders. Now, with no B757 being offered by Boeing, the B739X might get chosen by a few Boeing customers who want to bridge the gap between smaller B737s and the B787. However, with the Embraers in the low end, it might be harder for the B736 to pick any new orders...
Of course, who knows?
Tony
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
>If 757 was such a great plane, why couldn't they sell them? If they could sell them, I assume that they wouldn't have shut the line.<
You mean all 1049 they could not sell?
>The 757 in a one class configuration could hold what, 250 or 260 passengers?<
240, it also has longer range and cruises much faster. Still, it is heavier and does not have commonality with the 737.
Neil is right about the -900 being the current black sheep simply because Boeing rushed it to the market to apease the needs of AS and KL, and did not fully engineer it to its greatest potential. This is why it has had its ass handed to it by the far better thought out A321 (which also had really really short range in the -100 version and was improved when Airbus saw a market in the US).
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DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5422 times:
You mean all 1049 they could not sell?
Yeah it had a great sales run, until 2001 when Boeing couldn't give them away...
Neil is right about the -900 being the current black sheep simply because Boeing rushed it to the market to apease the needs of AS and KL, and did not fully engineer it to its greatest potential.
Had AS and KL asked for the -900X features they would have. They didn't.
This is why it has had its ass handed to it by the far better thought out A321 (which also had really really short range in the -100 version and was improved when Airbus saw a market in the US).
The A321 has hardly been the corner-stone of the A320 Family. Tailoring the line to the 73G and 738 performance (and conversly, A319/A320) was the smart thing to do.
The 737-900X would carry upto 220 passengers, wouldn't it intrude on B787-3 sales?
The 787-3 will seat close to 300 passengers in a 737-like domestic configuration.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5175 times:
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
>One prototype.<
Still flying for Boeing as their test bed
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FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
Ah yes, that's right...isn't that the one with the funky nose used for JSF testing (might be the F-22)?
Bronko From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 805 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
ODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 641 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
Why not develop the 900X as the replacement for the 900 and continue to call it the 900. Do you have to give it an entirely new designation just because you add two rear exit, move/reshape aft pressure bulkhead?
How much re-certifcation will these changes require?
Just curious.
They've sold 55, Delivered 46. Could they just build the last 9 in the existing configuration and begin offering the revised 900 (900X enhancements) for new orders.
I know with the added exit doors, you will be able to decrease seat pitch and add squeeze in another 5 rows of seating, so that you have a good boost to 220 in single class configuration.
With the gain of space in the rear with the redesign of the aft pressure bulkhead and push back of the rear galley, how much additonal capacity would be added in the 2-class configuration? Are we talking just one 1/2 row of seats here for an increase of 3 for a total capacity of 180 or a full row for an increase to 183?
[Edited 2005-02-19 00:25:47]
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25 DfwRevolution: I know with the added exit doors, you will be able to decrease seat pitch and add squeeze in another 5 rows of seating, so that you have a good boost
26 Lehpron: Ouch they really raped that 757 haven't they?
27 PHXinterrupted: "I think if they wanted a 220 seater, they could have selected the available modern 220 seater offered to them. However other factors obviously were o
28 Wilax: If Boeing could get some 787-effecient engines and a 3500NM range, the 739X would be a winner...
29 ODwyerPW: Boeing appears to be serious about moving the 737 up to the 200+ single isle range. Noticed this statement from the 717 Line Closing Statement. http:/
30 CRJ900: I think KLM has "hit the nail on the head" with their 737-900s, packing in 188 seats the smart way, by having seats with 33-34" pitch ahead of the ove
31 DeltaWings: The 737-900X would carry upto 220 passengers, wouldn't it intrude on B787-3 sales? The 787-3 will seat close to 300 passengers in a 737-like domestic
32 Gigneil: The 737-900X will be exactly the same size as the current one. It won't be close to the 757's size. N
33 RedDragon: Assuming that it gets the full 220-seat certification, that's only what, 19 seats (3 seatrows) short of the 752?
34 DeltaWings: The 752 can take 240 passengers, so it would be close. ~DeltaWings
35 RedDragon: Just as clarification, the exit limit under the FAA for the four-door 752 is 239 passengers, whilst for the five-door version it's 224. Not sure if t
36 CRJ900: If you go to GECAS.com and click on A321 info, you'll see a seat map with 220 seats at 28/29 inch pitch. The aircraft is packed solid, no more room f
37 Yyz717: The 737-900X will be exactly the same size as the current one. It won't be close to the 757's size. Exactly. The same fuselage length will GREATLY red
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