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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5197 times:

I was talking to a friend today and AA has decided to cut the following routes.
SJCJFK
SJCSNA
SJCHNL(Seasonal Only May-Sept)
SJCOGG(Seasonal)

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User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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I gasp everytime I hear about a cut from SJC, esp when from AA...i surely hope the NRT route isn't next. I'm scared we are going to be a little po-dunk airport again. At least we are getting i-Air, but then i'm sure UA will put their IAD flight on the chopping block before you know it.




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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33286 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

As of now, the SJC-Hawai'i and SJC-SNA flights are not being cut.

SJC-OGG and SJC-HNL operate as one triangle route (SJC-HNL-OGG-SJC) during the off season and two seperate non-stops during peak seasons (winter break and Memorial Day to Labour Day).

SJC-SNA has been reduced from 11 to 8 dailies.

SJC-JFK is gone in June. AA will soon no longer operating trans-cons from San Jose, after once operating daily flights to Boston, Miami, and New York City.



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User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
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I think at one time or another I can remember AA non-stop from SJC to:

(Note-Not all routes are discontinued)

BOS (M11/D10)
JFK (767's 757s)
MIA (757's)
DFW (M11/D10/767/757/M80)
AUS (757,M80)
PHX (M80/RJ)
DEN(M80)
SEA (M80)
PDX (M80)
RNO (M80)
BUR (M80)
LAX (M80/RJ)
SNA (757/M80/738/RJ)
SAN (M80/RJ)
LAS (757/RJ)
CDG 767
TPE 777
HNL 757/D10
OGG 757

And sure more I've missed---not to mention the countless Eagle Flights back in the early 90's when they had a hub here.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

I really wish that AA would have never purchased Reno Air. They destroyed the Reno hub and basically tried a hub out of SJC, but haven't done too well. Reno Air was great, but AA isn't very committed to the SJC market as a hub.


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User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4911 times:
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Does someone have like AA's total history in SJC? from when they first opened up shop to their slow decline now? I can remember as far back as when they shared Terminal A with US...but I was pretty young then.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4840 times:
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Boy oh boy! Here we go again with AA dismantling SJC. First time around was with Air Cal, then Reno Air.!! What a sad story, and it shows they have zero confidence in the Silicone Valley Market. I remember when they started their JFK service the first time around. It was a really big deal when they were still in the old and ancient terminal. They have made way too many mistakes with these mergers and now what they've done with TWA.

I for one, like SJC even though it is old and decrepit with the exception of the WN & AA terminal. It's easy to get into/out of and the delays are minimal. Maybe they'll have to move? Has anything been going on with new terminal construction.

Why did they drop mainline on the SJC-LAX-SJC runs? That seems ridiculous to do. Who would want to fly on a cramped AEagle ERJ vs. WN 73Xs or even UA Express CRJ which are a bit roomier?

Also I've never understood why they didn't buy and or lease any 73Gs as this would be a perfect hub airport for this type of equipment. Any thoughts about this?

Any ideas who might come in on the HNL/OGG routes "IF" they drop them or NRT? I don't see UA dropping IAD though they might turn it over to TED? Any thoughts or ideas?

Have a nice day or evening wherever you maybe!


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

I flew a D10 from DFW to SJC back in the early 90s. THOSE were the days.
I actually got breakfast too.. and me and dad were non-revving. That was my first DC-10 flight.
Yup, stickin' with Continental.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

I personally doubt that SJC would go to Ted from IAD. I know they would be competing with Independence Air which will be low fare, but the SJC market isn't exactly low yielding. There is some high yielding traffic on the route due to all of the tech businesses that are near SJC. The flight connects to UA's European flights out of IAD. Since there is a lot of hub traffic going to IAD, I don't think it would be a Ted type of route because Ted shoots for mainly O/D markets. Losing the first class cabin would be bad since there are executives flying UA to IAD and then jumping on a 777 or 767 to Europe in Business or First class. Those type of people would not fly UA if they had to start their journey with a 5 hour economy flight.


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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

I could see Aloha stepping in for HNL and OGG. Their 73G's would be better suited to the market year round than AA's 757. Also, this would be uber-convenient for me to get home from school.

Aloha!



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User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

>I'm scared we are going to be a little po-dunk airport again.<

Again? Sorry, I could not resist

>At least we are getting i-Air, but then i'm sure UA will put their IAD flight on the chopping block before you know it. <

Not a chance. UA will not dump a flight to a hub from an area with a lot of FF members. Has Indy even passed their proving runs yet?



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

AA is dedicated to their SJC-NRT flight. They won't be dumping it anytime soon. They always have had decent loads on this flight thanks to the techies flying back in forth.

Personally, in mid to late 90's when my dad was doing the tech thing here in AUS, he flew for his company to Tokyo at least 6 times a year and 4 of those flights he'd have AA AUS-SJC-NRT.

Sad to see the all transcons from SJC are cut.

AA777jr


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Mikesairways......SJC-ORD on 738's, but are now relegated to MD-80's....i've flown that route a bunch of times, and once our plane landed at a quarter to midnight!

I remember Larry Ellison (billionaire founder of Oracle Corp) wanted SJC to be open in the wee hours of the morning, but not too many locals were too keen on it.


Sad to see how AA has totally dumped SJC.....actually, I don't really think AA does all to well in the entire Northern Bay Area, given that UA has a fortress here........

I like to think that my AAdvantage Gold (and soon to be Platinum..yippy  Smile ) membership will get me some advantages here @ SFO, but the lines are always dead...unlike the UA lines, which almost stretch to the AA counters....well not quite, but they are still large at times!



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
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There really isn't much left in SJC, I think there might actually be more mainline to LAS then SJC after the cuts.

SJC (current) mainline and Eagle arrivals:

Kahului, HI American 195 06:43 AM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American 1358 08:14 AM Arrived
Tokyo American 128 09:27 AM Arrived
Austin, TX American 1881 09:30 AM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV American 1991 10:35 AM Arrived
Chicago, IL American 2007 11:09 AM Arrived
Austin, TX American 579 11:11 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1347 11:54 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1135 02:02 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1499 04:15 PM Arrived
Chicago, IL American 2497 05:04 PM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American 480 05:50 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1681 06:25 PM Arrived
Austin, TX American 1703 06:35 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 847 07:27 PM In Flight
Santa Ana, CA American 1628 07:50 PM In Flight
New York, NY American 227 09:14 PM In Flight
Dallas, TX American 1269 10:31 PM In Flight
Chicago, IL American 611 11:04 PM Scheduled
Chicago, IL American 1383 11:26 PM In Flight
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 191 07:54 AM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 134 08:22 AM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 154 09:19 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 193 09:25 AM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 142 10:26 AM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 188 10:56 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 121 11:14 AM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 155 11:56 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 195 01:07 PM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 183 01:13 PM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 158 02:10 PM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 178 03:18 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 151 04:07 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 164 04:45 PM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 186 04:56 PM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 146 05:20 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 125 05:41 PM Arrived
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 174 06:58 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 198 07:00 PM Arrived
San Diego, CA American Eagle 114 08:30 PM In Flight
Los Angeles, CA American Eagle 131 08:52 PM Scheduled
Santa Ana, CA American Eagle 170 09:27 PM Scheduled
San Diego, CA American Eagle 180 09:40 PM Scheduled


LAS AA Service:

Los Angeles, CA American 1038 08:13 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1413 08:22 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 855 09:57 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 371 11:17 AM Arrived
Chicago, IL American 1893 11:34 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1395 12:33 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA American 396 12:49 PM Arrived
Chicago, IL American 1133 01:06 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1505 02:13 PM Arrived
Saint Louis, MO American 1419 03:00 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 2011 03:15 PM Arrived
Miami, FL American 427 03:38 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA American 1594 04:05 PM Arrived
Chicago, IL American 1417 05:02 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 663 05:16 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 387 07:44 PM In Flight
Los Angeles, CA American 1186 08:20 PM Scheduled
Saint Louis, MO American 533 09:30 PM In Flight
Dallas, TX American 351 09:35 PM In Flight
Chicago, IL American 1509 10:02 PM In Flight
Chicago, IL American 1105 10:11 PM In Flight
Miami, FL American 447 10:35 PM In Flight
Dallas, TX American 1427 10:48 PM Scheduled


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Nashville, Raliegh/Durham, St. Louis, and now ... San Jose

[Edited 2005-02-08 14:10:07]


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

How is SJC-NRT doing? Are they getting full loads on that flight? if not, that flight is probably going down the toilet pretty soon.


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User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

As for IAD-SJC, I would think that is a good route give that Northern Virginia and San Jose are two of the nations largest technology regions. Of course, many of these companies are small, nimble, and price sensitive too- so maybe they are less likely to pay userous walkup fares? I am sure there is demand for flights from business travellers though.

User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

i'd be curious to see history of loads on the JFK-SJC route. i dont do it often, maybe once every other month but my god it is a challenge to find a flight with space available since they seemingly have those 757s filled!

maybe i was just on the packed flights...but this is a shame since SJC was a chance to visit friends down in Santa Cruz without having to bother with SFO.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Nashville, Raliegh/Durham, St. Louis, and now ... San Jose

I would have to say that it is only Nashville that as of right now has gotten the true shaft. St Louis and Raleigh still have fairly good sized operations while SJC can still be considered a focus city.

I think that BNA only has a couple flights to ATL (BellSouth), LGA, and LAX outside of the hubs, so in my estimation BNA got it the worst.


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Imagine what SJC would be like if the "bubble" didn't burst in Silicon Valley.I think AA's pullout can be directly tied into the consolidation of the tech. industry in Silicon Valley. I flew out of SJC a bunch of times in 99 and 2000 and it was a MADHOUSE!! Remember though--economic times are cyclical--maybe it will come back in 5-10 years???



User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Irishpower, you are correct regarding the bubble "heyday" and SJC....but if you take a drive around Silicone Valley, you'll see that 1/2 the business property is up for rent............

I'm not too sure if we will ever see S.Valley like they way it was 5-10 years ago.....sure it will exist, but there will be more and more mergers and aquisitions and outsourcing, hence less companies or large comapanies in S.Valley..........too bad..it was fun while it lasted..........if anything, the only way I see SJC picking up substantially up is if there is an increase in population (which his happening)

Now if our moronic Govt. could get its head out of its a** and create the proper incentives for corporations to keep workers and production facilities here, then we would see a decent size pickup of the Valley.........

Its just not happening to general tech either....South San Francisco is considered the biotech capital of the world, but now we are seeing many biotech companies starting up in India also.....



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

I can understand AA dropping SJC to BOS and the New York area, due to B6. But I don't get dropping MIA, since that is the Latin American/Western Carribean hub.

I know that AA has some Latin American service out of LAX and DFW, but by dropping MIA, that's basically telling passengers for South America to drive to SFO.

For those of you who miss QQ, Reno Air was not making money, and WN was making the situation worse and worse. Since QQ didn't have access to a lot of capital, it couldn't get the planes to compete with WN's shuttle-style service on competing routes.

In other words, why work your schedule around QQ, when WN, and in some cases UA, had a flight that fit your schedule.


User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

The strange thing of AA's SJC history is that prior to QQ, SJC was an American hub. When AA cut back, QQ came into existence. They were a part of the AAdvantage program and flew MD80's and 90's.
So, AA buys QQ to get, really, I don't know what they got because as soon as AA purchased QQ, they grounded the 90's and gutted the whole route system.
Question is, if you cut back a hub, buy a carrier to make SJC a hub again and they gut that carriers routes and be back to where you were, why spend the bucks to do this. What was accomplished? I know the Silicon Valley bust and all, but still...........................


User currently offlineNorCalSF From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

And isn't SJC about to undergo a major terminal expansion and renovation?

25 Post contains links and images Silver1SWA : And isn't SJC about to undergo a major terminal expansion and renovation? Yes. It's going to be quite a project. I can't wait til it's finished. You c
26 777boy : Well, as a loyal AA SJC traveller, I'm not that upset about the JFK cut. I never wanted to fly the 757 that far when I could go to SFO for a 767 (exce
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