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Delta Gates 1 & 2 At LGA  
User currently offlineRemymartin11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 68 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Does anyone have any idea why Delta gates 1 & 2 at LGA are "tug" gates that require engine shut down and tow in? There seems to be plenty of room there for the pilot to get in. I would trust the pilot a whole heck of a lot more than the half-baked ground crew.

Nothing like being an hour late into LGA, taking 20 minutes to taxi and then having to cool your heels another 10-15 minutes while they tow you the last 100 feet.

What a joke!

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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Gate 2 is power in, Gate in 1 I think is power in but might be tow in for the 764.

Regards LGA777


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

LGA777 is right, only gate one is tug-in because of the close proximity of the wall behind it that clearly says "NO JET BLAST".

Also, I happen to be a ramp supervisor for DL (not at LGA) and I would have to say that the majority of us are not "half-baked" and are quite capable of the responsibilities of our job; especially when it comes to towing a/c in tight quarters. I fly into LGA all the time and it has never taken more than approx 2 mins after engine shutdown for us to be hooked up and on the way into the gate just a couple of mins later.

Furthermore, I also happen to be a pilot myself so I would never stereotype them but when was the last time you heard about a ramp agent failing a breathalizer? Im not suggesting that all airline pilots are alcoholics by any stretch, but get your facts straight before you say things like that.



"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

BTW...I meant to say gate 2 is tug-in not 1


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

In my experience, Gate 1 at LGA is tug-in. I agree that the delay is annoying. But then again, all DL opps at LGA are annoying. That terminal sure is undersized and overcrowded for the size operation DL run there!

User currently offlineDelta fly boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Only gate 1 at LGA requires engine shut down and a tow in. The reason for this is the close proximity to the building extension to the left of gate 1, and because off the ground equipment that is surrounding gate 1. Gate 2 usually does not require engine shut down prior to gate arrival.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

I know the wait can be annoying, and it often seems like 10-15 minutes. But in reality, I have never waited more than 90 seconds for a tug. (Remember, 90 seconds can feel like an eternity when in a hurry).


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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

is there a specific gate the 764 must go in or can it fit in any of the gates?

User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Maybe DL will take over the US Air terminal

User currently offlineBpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3555 times:

Ive only seen DL's 764's at Gate 3 at LGA..

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3549 times:

I have been on a DL 764 that got towed to gate 1; I think they only use 1 and 3.


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineBoeingATL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3492 times:

Often on a midafternoon 757 arrival, we've been 'tugged" into 1. I hate that the door at the end of the jetway dumps you into the far end of the gate area. All those passengers waiting for the turnaround flight back to ATL.


boeingATL
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3460 times:

Sigh. Compared to the rest of LGA, the DL terminal is like PARADISE. I fly at least bi-weekly between ATL and NY. I have never waited more than two minutes for the tow. The vastly longer wait is caused by dork passengers who think they are in *church* when deboarding. Delta does an outstanding job at LGA, especially given the complexities of operating at that airport. Next time you want to complain about the DL terminal, stand in a 45 minute line for the (count 'em) TWO metal detectors on the AA, Airtran, ATA, Spirit, etc. "finger" of the main terminal at LGA.

The question (why is there a tow-in gate) is fair and interesting, but the rest of the editorial content therein and in some responses seems juvenile and to be basically know-nothing whining by folks who don't do this very often. (The door is in the wrong place in the terminal? Puh-leese. You're at Gate 1 -- closest to the taxis. Just push the waiting passengers out of the way, go down the escalator, ignore the gypsy cab drivers ("Need a taxi?") and go straight to the plentiful yellow cabs outside. Total time from exiting the a/c -- 3 minutes. That's pretty dang good anywhere.)

BTW, there are other tow-in gates at other terminals at LGA -- it's all about maximizing the number of gates in a limited space.

--Bill


User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3624 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Bill,

As a pilot for an airline based in the CTB at LGA--ur overview of ops there is quite off. The AA finger or Concourse D has 4 detectors. The UA finger or Concourse C has 5 or 6 detectors. Concourse B just got a new and spacious security area. And concourse A has at least 4 detectors.

This tops a major rennovation completed in the late 90s. The fingers will all be torn down and rebuilt over the next few years.

As someone who has used LGA my whole life, the DL terminal with its brown floors, dark baggage claim, 1980s signage, and tight check-in hall is a disgrace and an embarassment to NYC and to LGA.

Best to Worst:

1. US AIR
2. CTB
3. MAT
4. DL

PJ


User currently offlineBoeingATL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Wijcandee - so glad to hear of your uniform good experiences with LGA and DL. Mine are for the most part good as well. I think most passengers would not even notice the "delay" if it weren't for the F/A or Captain announcing the tow, with the usual "remain in your seats." Most times tugs are waiting. Sometimes, like at other large hubs, you can wait for the gate or its service. Just look out the windows and you can see how close you are to the terminal, walls and ground crew. There's not a hairpiece in the world that could survive that blast.

As for the breeze through the terminal, past the hacks and the line at the cab stand, that depends on the time of day, luck and how patient or impatient you are. Deplaning from Gate 1 always reminds me of reaching the end of the escalator and someone stops. It would be nice if the gate agents would try to keep the area clear.



boeingATL
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Wicandee-which finger is that? AA uses Concourse D on their own along with much of C (United has the hammerhead at Concourse C), while the rest of the airlines you rattled off use Concourse B.


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

JFKLGANYC: I stand corrected. I should have said the "ATA, Airtran, Spirit, Frontier, United, Midwest and now JetBlue" finger. If it now has more than two detectors, great. One reason I basically stopped flying Airtran *from* LGA (although not *to* it) was that security line. (On the return, Airtran's place is fine, even if it's at the furthest possible point from the street. One critique -- at DL, there are always a million cabs in the lot, if not, there are certainly plenty even for the last flights in; at the central terminal (the new name), it takes a few minutes for the globs of cabs to arrive once the folks start spilling onto the street). I'll admit that I haven't flown American or Continental from LGA in years; query if 4 detectors is enough for AA's operation at LGA, though.

I still like the DL/NW terminal very much. While USAir is prettier, I don't think that it is as functional. The (relatively-few) times that I have flown from there, I noticed how far I seem to have to walk from where the cab dropped me in front until I finally made it through the gate. There seemed to be lots of big open spaces, but it seemed like their sole purpose was to make me walk even further to the gate. At the DL terminal (which admittedly isn't the snazziest-looking), I just get out of the cab, go straight to a kiosk for 30 seconds (or check-in before I leave home and go straight to security), walk to the lightly-used rear security line (which used to be the first class line), and go to the gates. To me, at least, the walk is quick and easy compared to USAir.

I happily defer with respect to the airlines that I haven't flown in years. And I'm probably just used to the DL routine, and thus just zip through every time. I personally prefer that DL spent money on technology like kiosks and the flight information plasma monitors, rather than on decor. While it might just be that it's what I'm used to, I think that the DL operation is remarkably consistent, professional and reliable. There are things that I think that Delta could do better, but on an average day the ground operation and terminal at LGA do everything that I could reasonably ask. For what it's worth.

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

SHUP -- You're right. AA isn't in that finger. And I haven't seen UA there even though the PA web site says it is. Maybe they're leasing out a gate or something. You're all right that I indicted the whole central terminal based on my experience with that one area, and probably haven't given the PA credit for the time and effort that they've spent working on it. While they were doing so, and there was all that construction mess with the garage, etc., I would just head over to Delta with a smile. And when I went back to fly ATA and Airtran, it just looked like a nicer version of the same crowded, slow, challenging area to fly from. So my positive impression of Delta remained (as they haven't screwed me yet at LGA), and my impression of the central terminal didn't improve.

Guess that's why "goodwill" is so valuable an asset to a company and a brand.

BOEINGATL: I was probably too harsh. You're describing something that you have experienced that is doubtless a drag, and you're right as to the solution. I'm the guy in front of you singing out "Let's GOOOOOO, Make A Hooooole. Coming throooooooogh." That usually gets a few chuckles and a bit of shuffling out of the way. Folks in ATL are often wayyyyy too polite to do that!  Smile

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

What would really be great would be if DL had its terminal all to itself instead of giving 4 gates to NWA.


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineBoeingATL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Hey Wjcandee - no hard feelings. Actually I was miffed, but calmed after reading your second post. It was too late in the eve to reply and acknowledge the softer choice of words. LOL. Just because I live in ATL, doesn't mean I'm from the south. My roots do show sometimes, and I'm not talking hair color!


boeingATL
User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3047 times:

What would really be great would be if DL had its terminal all to itself instead of giving 4 gates to NWA.

Does anyone know the genesis of this arrangement? Who leases these gates to NWA, the Port Authority or DL? Does DL really have enough slots at LGA to use the extra space?


User currently offlineDelta fly boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

This is Delta's Gate Parkin Plan for LGA

Gate 1:
A/C types:
MD-88 - Not Allowed
B737-300 - Not Allowed: Aircraft sensor to close to jetway
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - L1 door only
B767-200 - Not available with B767-400 on gate 3
B767-300 - Not available with B767-400 on gate 3
B767-400 - Not Allowed
ALL CRJ's - Only one at a time

Gate 2:
A/C types:
MD-88 - No restrictions
B737-200 - No restrictions
B737-300 - No restrictions
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - L1 Door Only
B767-200 - No restrictions
B767-300 - No restrictions
B767-400 - Not Allowed
ALL CRJ'S - Only one at a time

Gate 3:
A/C types:
MD-88 - No restrictions
B737-200 - No restrictions
B737-300 - No restrictions
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - L2 Door Only
B767-200 - No restrictions
B767-300 - No restrictions
B767-400 - Cannot have B767-200 or -300 on gate 1 (L2 Door Only)
ALL CRJ's - Only one at a time

Gate 4:
A/C types:
MD-88 - No restrictions
B737-200 - No restrictions
B737-300 - No restrictions
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - L2 Door Only
B767-200 - No restrictions
B767-300 - No restrictions
B767-400 - Not Allowed
ALL CRJ'S - Only one at a time

Gate 5:
A/C types:
MD-88 - No restrictions
B737-200 - No restrictions
B737-300 - No restrictions
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - L1 Door Only
B767-200 - Not Allowed
B767-300 - Not Allowed
B767-400 - Not Allowed
ALL CRJ'S - Only one at a time

Gate 6:
A/C types:
MD-88 - No restrictions
B737-200 - No restrictions
B737-300 - No restrictions
B737-800 - No restrictions
B757 - Not Allowed
B767-200 - Not Allowed
B767-300 - Not Allowed
B767-300 - Not Allowed
B767-400 - Not Allowed


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