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What's Going On With Air Wisconsin?  
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Hello all you ZW people! Any news from the home office? Rumors abound about CRJ-700s and EMB-190s, etc.

What's the story from ATW?

I remain optimistic!


smrtrthnu
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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

I wish there was some news to report! We are all waiting for some news to come out about the RFP and other possible partners. It's an uneasy feeling but we have to keep going forward and do the best we can!!

I hope the CRJ-700 is nothing but a rumor.....I hate that plane!



Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineUnitedtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8551 times:



I have herd RUMORS that ZW wants to drop the 50 seat flying in favor of a mixed fleet of 170's and 190's (the latter replacing the 146's). The ZW 50 seaters would be replaced by a mix of new 50 seat flying (with the RFP) and 170's. I also herd if that happens they will be replacing the Mesa CRJ-700's as I have herd many rumors that UA is very unhappy with Mesa. My hopes for the future of UA express flying will have OO replacing Mesa's turbo prop flying and CRJ-200 flying. Hoping that OO replaces the EMB with the Dash 8 in DEN due to their favorable performance.

Rumors and Hopes

Who knows what will become of them!

-m

 Big thumbs up



User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

I think I've heard the same thing about the 50 seat flying. I don't think it's something that ZW want's to do much of anymore. Not that I can blame anyone, it's just so darn expensive to operate the 50 seaters. If UA is not happy with Mesa then they really need to show it and hold Mesa accountable for their actions. At least I can say that with ZW, if we are running late, it's probably not our fault...it's the lovely delay program that the Express carriers have to follow....when flights are on time, you often have to try to find Mesa crews.

Oh well...we will just all wait and see!



Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

If Mesa is cut from UAX, Air Wisconsin will virtually own UAX at RDU. Ihave to admit, it would be cool to see a mix of E170/E190/Bae146 at RDU.. Boy, to watch those Bae roll off the runway and get airborne, it makes you wonder how it happens every time because it just looks so damn HEAVY!


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

If the EMB-190s show up I would be surprised if the -146s remain. It is all speculation at this point. But the 190 or 195 is in the same size class as the 146 so it would not really make too much sense to keep both around. We are down one in recent weeks and I expect that trend to continue.

Question: with all the bad talk about Mesa, what do they really do that is so bad? Serious question. I really don't know. I have heard them bad-mouthed since day 1, but I really don't have anything concrete to show what they are so bad about. I have heard some hair raising stories, but never seen anything other than rumor.

What's the deal with Mesa?

Having said that, I sure hope we win and there remain just 1 or 2 UAX carriers. I want AWAC to remain the Nr. 1 UAX carrier. I hope we get a bunch of 70 and 90 seaters and that a handful of 50 seaters remain. I would not be surprised if something like that would happen.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

If the 190's do show up the 146 will be replaced because the 190 is supposed to be able to fly into ASE.

The bad thing with Mesa is that they just weren't very reliable in the past and the service is a bit on the poor side.



Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8320 times:

Has Mesa ever been reliable? Word on the street is that all EAS Arizona flying is going over to Great Lakes, whose completion rate is 98%, versus in the upper 70s for Air Midwest/Mesa. I know that Mesa told one of the airports "But our on time percentage is in the 90s!" ... that is for flights that actually go!

Airlines are now starting to be more picky over their commuter airlines operations.... seems funny we never have these issues at American Eagle!

-n


User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

I heard a rumor that one of the "higher ups" in Flight Ops was handed a E-190 flight manual and told to get very familiar with it. Who knows where that one got started.

User currently offlineBigtidi From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

Comparing Mesa's Arizona ops to Mesa's Fee Per Departure is like apples an oranges. I know for a fact that UAL is pleased with the Mesa operation. The regional business is all about costs and I know that Mesa has one of the lowest cost structures out there. Mesa's reliability may slightly trail AWC but I don't think it is enough to justify the cost difference. Mesa is a great airline in need of a little good direction. Lets hope it comes! Believe me, Mesa's management has its eyes open to the opportunities of the future.

User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

I guess I'm confused as to how Mesa is a great little airline. I don't see that Mesa has done much for their employees. Having the lowest cost structure isn't always something to be proud of. I was just on a Mesa flight where the flight attendant had on a pair of dockers, faded mind you, a purple sweater, and chewing gum so loudly that it made the cows look. I know there are some good employees with Mesa, but most of the ones I've come across are less then professional.


Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

And if this thread is going to continue, lets keep it to AWAC...that's what we are all asking about.


Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

I do not really believe that anyone got any manuals about the 190 other than that they are almost certainly looking at them as a replacement airplane for the 146.

I sort of hope we get a mix of EMB 170s and 190s. But I will mostly be happy if we just keep our flying!!!

Anyway, even if we get CRJ-700s it will be alright. That is a cool plane, even if the -200 and the -900 are not! Just my $.02



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8056 times:

I love the 146, but I love AWAC more! Whatever they do, I hope it works out for them...one must wonder what it would be like if UA still owned AWAC (I'm fairly certain they did at one point)...

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

After having worked last summer as a DM in ORD Ops for ZW, I found that they have some decent, hardworking people there. I hope they do well. And mentioning Mesa in the same breath as ZW is absurd. At ZW, we'd hear their pilots consistently own up to the poor operation of that airline. Saab2000, they were fired once by UA, and a guy in crew scheduling here would tell of his time in Mesa crew scheduling, of how unorganized and haphazard the place was. And during my 1st go-round with DH, I corresponded with that genius Ornstein just before his failed takeover of ACA and found firsthand why Mesa will not become a great airline with a child at the helm. ZW, with the possible exception of OO, is the best option for UA's ORD and East Coast UX operations.

-R


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7921 times:

My girlfriend works for Air Wisconsin as a ticket agent. She says a coule of her co-workers are a bit worry about the future.

User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7907 times:

I think we are all a bit worried. United was supposed to have an answer to us last month. Sometimes I think they are dragging their feet to see if DH or US is going to go belly up thus creating a huge surplus of RJ's....who knows...but it would be nice if they came back with an answer sometime this month, allowed us to buy larger aircraft, and let us bring back the service that was cut out!! ORD-ATW, ORD-GRB, ORD-MSN, ORD-CWA, ORD-SPI, ORD-BMI, ORD-TVC....UA wanted all beverage service cut from flights that were 250 miles and under....on a 30 minute flight you could do a beverage service! Hell, when I was a flight attendant for Midway and we sent the F100 to DCA, we were lucky if it was 20 minutes wheels up to wheels down, but we still did a service! Yeah it was fast but we did it. Oh well, I think we are looking at the future of the airlines, legacy carriers cutting back while low fare carriers continue to remind passengers that their product is better. At least we still have pillows!!


Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7884 times:

Hey ATW,

does Air Wisconsin decide the routes they fly or does UA?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

ERJ170 - UA decides the routes, they change em all the time.


It takes a bug to hit a windsheild but it takes guts to stick
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

But some regionals get to choose their own routes for some airlines, correct?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Hey guys,

Does it surprise anyone that UA went and put our ground handling out for bid as well? When UA put our flying out for bid, I said it was a scare tactic. By putting our business out for bid, they know they can get the maximum amount of cost reductions from us. They are doing the same thing with our ramp. They know how piss poor things on the IAD ramp is (in Dec. I waited an HOUR for bags to be loaded--all 12 of them to go to CAE), I can't believe they would be so dumb as to pick another 3rd party contractor to run a bigger United Express operation.

I don't want to see Air Wisconsin invest a penny in the 170/190 family until Embrarer fixes the reliability problems, and finds a way to make the pits bigger. A lousy weather day that cancels all flights to MKE or MSN with 170s will find us going to UHaul for trucks. With those pits, we will never get caught up.

As far as the reliability goes, at least we won't be paying $50/hr+ like RP does for United mechanics to come out and restart their planes several times per day (occasionally, its multiple times on the same plane!). At least our own mechanics can do that.



What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently offlineMojo89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7644 times:

Apparently the bid has gone back and forth several times and they are still talking. IMO this is a good thing. If there was a better deal out there I'm sure United would have taken it by now.


When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Who knows with UA...sometimes I wish that ZW was able to go back to being ZW and have code shares with many different airlines. All I know is if the RFP goes through, I'm seriously hoping that we announce orders for the 170/190!!!  Smile A boy can dream right?


Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

Hey ATWZW170,

I found a piece of information that you may find nostalgic... and very informative...

http://nationwideintelligence.com/briefings/airline/AlnMidway.pdf



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7474 times:
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If ZW was to get rid of the Bae146 and get E190s instead, what would they fly to ASE? They have a bunch of flights to ASE daily, and the 146/ARJ are pretty much the only commercial jets out there approved.


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25 Post contains images UnitedTristar : KaiGywer, The E190 is suppose to be able to also operate into ASE, although I thought UA would be smart to throw some Dash8-Q400's on there...save som
26 SegmentKing : Mesa's Dash 8s are standard -200s, not the new Q200s (Q for Quiet!). Those 8's had also worn the previous United Express livery while operated by Mesa
27 Post contains links and images ORDZW : As much as I, too would love to see an E170 or E190 with "operated by Air Wisconsin Airlines" on the side, it would make a lot of sense to stick with
28 KaiGywer : UnitedTristar, even though the Q400 would be great plane, I'm not so sure the snobby ASE residents would fly on "an old plane with propellers".
29 Post contains images ATWZW170 : You are dreaming, ORDZW!! The CRJ-900 is a dog! Next time you are at the airport, call my cell, same number. Maybe we will know something this week.
30 UALGSO : Anyone at Air Whisky know who got the ground handling contract at the MYR station. I hope it was not DGS after dealing with the daily fiascos at Dulle
31 ATWZW170 : It was DGS and yes it totally sucks! I think it's all but been decided that ZW will stay an express carrier. In my gut I feel that we are just hashing
32 ATWZW170 : Heard a rumor that we might hear something on Friday about the RFP and that ORDZW might get his wish......GOD I HOPE NOT!!!!! I do hope we hear someth
33 Post contains links and images ORDZW : ATWZW170 - It is not my wish to get the CRJ-900, I was preparing myself just in case. I'm trying to look on the bright side! In the grand scheme of th
34 ATWZW170 : Nothing today...such a let down.
35 SLUAviator : One of our managers told us the other day that the word is we are about 95%+ sure that we are going to keep the flying and the ramp. He said it is pre
36 Tito : Where is there info about E190's capability to operate ASE?
37 Post contains links ORDZW : New news: See the following thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1966524/
38 FriendlySkies : Glad to see ZW getting a new contract, but I wish it was with a more stable airline...
39 Srbmod : Who did the ground handling @ ATL for ZW back when they were operating under the AirTran JetConnect banner? Were they ZW employees, FL employees or di
40 Mojo89 : ZW employees did the ground handling for JetConnect in ATL.
41 Ual777contrail : I wish we had AWAC in COS, would trade them in a heart beat for SkyWest. UAL 777 CONTRAIL
42 Gigneil : If the 190's do show up the 146 will be replaced because the 190 is supposed to be able to fly into ASE. You know I've heard that, but nowhere but her
43 ORDZW : No, not anymore. We used to operated COS-LAX. For a while, we had COS-DEN and COS-ORD as well. A combination of Skywest and Mesa now operate those ro
44 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : They just bought a chunk of USAirways: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050218/dcf043_1.html
45 ATWZW170 : Wouldn't it be interesting if in fact US were to close and Air Wisconsin took over the operation....could be kind of cool....when you think about it,
46 Post contains images Tito : If i'm reading all of this right, ZW has agreed to loan US $125 million. Doesn't it feel good to know where our pay cuts went.
47 ATWZW170 : What feels good is that our owners have a plan....they were very creative with this....that's what feels good....plus we have jobs and the owners have
48 Mojo89 : ZW employees did the ground handling for JetConnect in ATL. I stand corrected. ZW did not do the ground handling in ATL for JetConnect. Thank you to t
49 717-200 : AirTran did the ground handling for JetConnect in ATL above and below the wing. We also did the ground handling at the cities (GSO, ICT, SAV, TLH) tha
50 Groundstop : "I do not miss the JetConnect days!" While I don't miss having to squeeze 3 CRJ's into D2 while plotting the ATL gates, I will say that I miss the cre
51 717-200 : JP The part of JetConnect that I do not miss were the poor stacking of the bags in the bin that caused difficulty in opening the bin on arrival, the c
52 UALGSO : One correction on ground handling for 717-200, here in GSO Continental did all of our ramp handling as well as NW. Always made for some good delays wh
53 GroundStop : 717-200, You do make some good points. Another thing I don't miss was the CRJ with 50 pax and 70 bags to MYR that was planned with roundtrip fuel, whi
54 717-200 : JP, Those MYR JetConnect flights must have been quite a challenge with ATW dispatch ordering roundtrip fuel. Why were they requesting roundtrip fuel o
55 GroundStop : Good question. MYR fuel was and is expensive. I remember asking myself the same question about the need for roundtrip fuel. I always would look at the
56 Srbmod : Imagine the fun the folks @ EV are having doing it. I'm sure it was really fun back in the old gate setup they had a few years ago. The gate I worked
57 JC5280 : I have heard from a ZW employee that they were told the flying contract is over with UA, and it will be announced soon.
58 717-200 : Interesting, here at RDU UA Express is a ZW station. Wonder who would take over here? Wonder if there would be any chance UA mainline would come back
59 Post contains images Jetboyflyhi : MESA and SKYWEST will pick up the flying and ground ops..........
60 ASE747 : Hey KaiGywer have you ever been to Aspen?? The year round residents of this small moutain town are not snobby as you want to believe. As for ZW in AS
61 Mojo89 : Nothing is over as of yet. It was communicated last week that we should not be surprised to see announcements from UA about expanded agreements with
62 Saab2000 : As Mojo says, we were told not to be surprised if we have less work with United in the future. But the message was pretty enigmatic. I do wish that we
63 Azjubilee : There isn't any NWA work to be had... so that probably won't happen. AZJ
64 Saab2000 : AZJ, You are probably more in tune with what is going on than I am. Our management has indicated that there have been discussions with NWA. However, u
65 ATWZW170 : There might not be a need for NW flying right now but with the new pilot contract that NW put together there agreed to have a third NW Airlink partner
66 Post contains images Saab2000 : ATWZW170, Yes, I did!!! How do you know? I assume you saw me or my SWISS bag. Who are you? I hope we keep a mix of UAL flying and some other as well.
67 ATWZW170 : I did see you this morning and thought about saying something.....I was sitting in 1E and walked on behind you...or you were standing in the jetbridge
68 Azjubilee : I hate to burst your bubbles... but NWA can already have a 3rd airlink if they wanted one. The new provision in their contract allows for a 3rd airlin
69 Saab2000 : Azjubilee, Lighten up. I am not saying what will happen. I am saying what I would like to happen. I would like to live and work in MSP. Also, the airl
70 ATWZW170 : In todays day things are never boring! I don't see NW starting some focus city if another airline were to go under. IND and MKE fit in NW's route stru
71 Azjubilee : It was humor boys.... see the SMILEY FACE? Maybe you need to lighten up. I'm just stating the facts as they sit today. Again, the provision for a 3rd
72 DAYflyer : I would like to think that UAL has the expectations for on time performance and cancelled flights in the contract with MESA.
73 Post contains images KaiGywer : Yes, I've been to Aspen, and I had a great time. Sorry to offend you, as it wasn't meant to be that way. Let me rephrase to the snobs VISITING Aspen
74 Saab2000 : I actually doubt that United wants Mesa to do Aspen. I could be wrong though. I was sort of hoping this one would pop up again. We continue to get no
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