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Once Again, The 737 Saves The Day For Boeing.  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12331 times:

Lately, Boeing has been racking up 737 orders in Japan and China. New Indian LCC SpiceJet has just ordered 10 next generation 737s. Most predicted that Airbus was on pace to sell more aircraft in 2005, but once again, the 737 is really coming through for Boeing.

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

An ATA 737 check-airman said to me that he didn't like the 737 because old and new technology don't work together very well. I've never flown the 737, but if Boeing continues to sell it, something has to be working right.

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12182 times:

An ATA 737 check-airman said to me that he didn't like the 737 because old and new technology don't work together very well.

Yeah, well... Now he knows why SWA is his new daddy. No one else seems to have this problem.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Yep. After 5,000 737s ordered, Boeing is doing something right with this bird.
Now the big question is.....which airline will get the 5,000th 737 assembled?
Regards.



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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

BTW, which was the most successful 737 variant so far? Could it be the -700?


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

It should be, but since the last WN order, Boeing has sold a rather large number of -800's. If you go to Boeings site to can pull an order history and count them up.

User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11853 times:

The 737 is based on an old design.Big deal the new tech. plus the cost of operating this plane must still be current. Southwest and Airtran use and all Boeing fleet.
They are 2 of the 3 airlines in the US. that turned a profit last year.So the 737 follows the old saying "If it aint broke do not fix it!"

GO BOEING Smile



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11819 times:

As far as I know the most popular "original" (-100, -200, -200Adv) 737 is the -200Adv, the most popular "classic" (-300, -400, -500) 737 is the -300, and the most popular "next generation" (-600, -700, -800, -900) 737 is the -800.

I know the 737-200 (including the -200 Advanced and the -200 Combi) was the most popular of the bunch, not sure if the -700 or -800 has beat it yet or not.

But still, if Boeing can sell 5,000 of those 737s they must be pretty damn good I think!!



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

I agree. The 737-800 and 900 practically put the 757 out of business.

User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 979 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Yeah, the 737 just keeps chugging along. To me, the success of the 737NG series is the most amazing, given the strong competition by the excellent A320 family. Having flown in the original -200s and the -700 & 800 it's remarkable how much nicer the new ones are. I love the old Fat Alberts but I like the new ones much better.

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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11742 times:

To answer an earlier question, according to a site that I found:

http://www.b737.org.uk/ordersanddeliveries.htm

Here are the total orders/delivered for the different 737 models:

737-100 30/30
737-200 1114/1114
737-300 1113/1113
737-400 486/486
737-500 389/389
737-600 73/56
737-700 974/615
737-800 1207/824
737-900 55/46
BBJ1 77/71
BBJ2 12/10
Totals 5530/4754

I would assume that these figures are fairly recent as the most recent article on this website is about Kitty Hawk's decision to take 7 737-300SFs on Jan 17, 2005. However, I would imagine some of the more recent orders such as the Indian orders and perhaps the JAL order are not included.

As for the honor of who should get the 5000th 737. Personally, I believe that you should always give that honor to one of your loyal and longtime customers. Although some airlines have spent more with Boeing by ordering larger jets (SQ, UA, etc.), I think that the honor of the 5.000th 737 should go to the largest 737 user, Southwest (whose current 737 fleet is nearly equal to 10% of all 737s delivered!).


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Count BBJ1 in with the -700 numbers, and BBJ2 in with the -800 numbers.


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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11596 times:

Every 737 fan has their reasons for loving this aircraft, here are some of mine:

Just love that classic Boeing nose it got from the 707/727 WITH the eyebrow windows.
Ever watch the integral airstairs operate? It's a thing of beauty and makes the aircraft more versatile.
Simple landing gear, no main doors yet when retracted the underbelly still looks clean.
I just love those non-circular engine air intakes, they just look awesome.
Loved the thrust-reversers on the 200 model. When it lands with full flap and it deploys with the spoilers, it looks like everything in sight is moving. A joy to behold.
It would seem the 737 is the perfect aircraft for LCC's - non containerised cargo hold, low ground clearance, integral airstairs.
My favourite is the 700 but I like the 200 and the 500 also.
Very reliable, solid and easy to maintain.
Need I go on?

This is not to take anything away from the A320, another fine aircraft but the 737 is special.
I will shut up now lest I upset the A320 fans. Big grin

GU



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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Gearup :

I TOTALLY AGREE!

The 737 has proved itself over time. Fantastic aircraft.

Regds.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11480 times:

the 737, as most others have stated, is a very FINE and beautiful aircraft. I hope that when the replacement for the 737 line comes, that it will be just as successful.


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

Now that you point it out, I realize that Airtran is flying brand new, 40 year old planes! The DC-9 and the 737. Haha.
I don't really think that the 737NG has much "old tech" left. I mean, new avionics, new engines, new APU, and much new electrical stuff. Okay, so that leaves what, the fuselage?
So the next time I hear the 737 called 'low tech' I will laugh. Southwest requested that Boeing NOT build it fly-by-wire, as did other operators (Modern Boeing Jetliners, 2000).

R


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11390 times:

Is it just me, or is the -600 and -900 versions pretty much non needed aircrafts?

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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11369 times:

Well JAL needs the -900X

as for the -600 its a bit of a flop. Too heavy basically.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11352 times:

isn't the -500 and -600 part of the "classic" set and are thus not NGs? COrrect me if i am wrong  Smile


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

Honda has made Accords and Civics since Jimmy Carter was in office and disco reigned supreme on vinyl discs called records. Toyota has been making the Camry almost as long.

The 737 may not be the perfect plane, but it is the most flexible when it comes to modification. It has more models than any other Boeing model, and has even outlived its younger siblings in production.

It just simply is a design that works.

And in answer to your question, Jeremy (7E72004), the original -100 model was quickly supplanted by the much more successful -200 model. Boeing ended production quickly on the -100, and for a while only built the -200.

There were two batches of "Next Generation" 737's to come along - the -300/400/500, and the -600/700/800. The -300 was considered a replacement for the -200, the -400 was a stretched version, and the -500 was a shorter and not terribly fuel-efficient but fleet-common version.

Then came the current "Next Generation" - the -600, a poor seller, but one heck of a hot-rod as I understand, the -700 (the -300's replacement), and the -800, a cross between a 737-400 and a 757-200 in terms of capacity. The -900, I believe is an extension of that.

Lord have mercy, it's scary when a Boeing nut can't even keep all the models straight!! I hope I got that all correct...let me know if something needs fixing!



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11080 times:

I'm begining to think that the 737 line will never close. My opinion- In a few years UAL, NW, USAIR, AA, CO, and Delta will replace their 757s with NG737s. Added to that, Southwest becomes the largest airline in the world.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11041 times:

Juventus:

I doubt that. The 757s have enough life left in them that they can suffice until they are replaced by either the composite 737 replacement or the 787-3.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10982 times:

N328KF
When I say a few years, I mean 10-15 years. There are some very old 757s flying out there. I see the 737-800 and 900 as the perfect replacement.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10939 times:

Juventus:

I do not believe the 737 will be in production at that time.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10882 times:

That's pretty amazing after all these years the -200 is still the #1 model in terms of deliveries and beat out the -300 by just one! I'll have to look at the deliveries list a bit more--the only -400s I've flown on in the U.S. were with AS and US, and seems the -400 had the bulk of its sales overseas.


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25 SFOMEX : Guys, I have a question. I know that AM is getting brand new 737's NG, but I don know if they are -700, -800 or -900. Does somebody know which type is
26 AA737-823 : SFO MEX: They are -700s.
27 FriendlySkies : isn't the -500 and -600 part of the "classic" set and are thus not NGs? COrrect me if i am wrong The -600 is basically the NG version of the -500. It
28 TradewindL1011 : N328KF- Your opinion is fine and dandy, but do you have any supporting arguments to back it up?
29 N328KF : TradewindL1011: Not hard evidence. Just that Boeing has made indications that a 737 replacement is about five years after the 787. It's also just comm
30 PANAM_DC10 : Hi N328KF What impact will the MMA and other military variants have on the production run for the 737? MMA will require over 100 frames not counting a
31 Post contains images Jj : SFOMEX, I understood most were -700´s but I´m not sure And you have to love the 737. I mean look at all the airlines it helped build, look how relia
32 Gearup : It´s the DC-3 of the jet age Well said! GU
33 Post contains images Glideslope : "An ATA 737 check-airman said to me that he didn't like the 737 because old and new technology don't work together very well." "Yeah, well... Now he k
34 LMP737 : An ATA 737 check-airman said to me that he didn't like the 737 because old and new technology don't work together very well. I'm trying to figure out
35 Post contains images Gkirk : Well, just goes to show, you cant beat the golden oldies Surprised none of the Airbus lot have replied here yet
36 Tockeyhockey : why are the engines non-circular?
37 N328KF : PANAM_DC10: AvWeek talked about the additional production line for the military stuff. However, it would be more expensive for civil production as wor
38 N328KF : Tockeyhockey: It's those new oval fans! Just kidding. The engine itself is normal, but the nacelle has to be shallower on the bottom in order to preve
39 N766UA : My opinion- In a few years UAL, NW, USAIR, AA, CO, and Delta will replace their 757s with NG737s I disagree. The 737 simply cannot do what a 757 can,
40 Juventus : N766UA I think your are talking about performance. A 737 burns less fuel, and gives you more options (short runways, thin routes). Can you picture the
41 A319114 : Lately, Boeing has been racking up 737 orders in Japan and China. New Indian LCC SpiceJet has just ordered 10 next generation 737s. Most predicted tha
42 B777fan : N328KF I thought the oval shape was to help minimize FOD. With a circular nacelle the inlet would be much closer to the ground and would be vacuuming
43 Thrust : The 737's recent success proves that the age of the design is in fact irrelevant. If the 737 can easily be made even more successful like this, then s
44 Thunder9 : N766UA's reply #40 got me thinking (yes, that's dangerous, at times!) about potential 73X stretches (ala 737-900X). My thought are pertaining mostly t
45 PANAM_DC10 : Thanks N328KF I agree, production for military varients would run at lower volume. Regards
46 TinPusher007 : The reason for the oval-shaped engine nacelles is also to provide more clearance for the engine during crosswind landings when then wing might be lowe
47 Phollingsworth : One of the reasons for the success of the 737-800 is it is an almost perfect replacement for the 727-200 (So is the A320). It has better payload range
48 Boeing7E7 : I disagree. The 737 simply cannot do what a 757 can, regardless of how many fusulage plugs you throw in. The 767/787 size aircraft meets the increment
49 Derik737 : I'm trying to figure out what this check airman means when he says "old and new technology". Perhaps he is talking about the overhead panel. The overh
50 MD-90 : N766UA is probably thinking more about the superior range and cargo uplift of the 757.
51 Amy : "The 737-300 through -900 series use the CFM-56 series engines, right? IIRC, the DC-8-70 series and later KC-135 variants use CFM-56's with higher thr
52 Post contains images Lehpron : >>"737-600 73/56 737-700 974/615 737-800 1207/824 737-900 55/46"
53 Avek00 : "If so, then the latest 737 aircraft might just be able to what a 757 can, contrary to N766UA's post." You can match the 757's capacity with the 737NG
54 L.1011 : is it possible this demand could keep production going for another 10-15 years? Just a question. The last commercial 707 was delivered in 1978 and Boe
55 B752fanatic : Semething else, Even though is an old airframe (design) it is proven that as older an aircraft gets, more error free it will be, the 737 flying for mo
56 B4real : Is it still true that Boeing has made more 737 than Airbus has made total airplanes? B4
57 Juventus : Think about this. The NG737 is competing against the 757, A319, A320, A321. The BBJ competes against the larger corporate aircraft. After all that, 73
58 Post contains images MoMan : Honda has made Accords and Civics since Jimmy Carter was in office and disco reigned supreme on vinyl discs called records. Toyota has been making th
59 Gearup : And to add, there are more orders for the 737 than all the a/c Airbus has produced, that means something. Really, aside from the plain statement of a
60 Derik737 : Don't forget the CFM56s used in the A321 and more importantly A340-200/300 which can have up to 34,000lbs of thrust. I would expect something close to
61 Juventus : Like I said before, Lets appreciate the 737, not compare it to any other airplane.
62 B752fanatic : "Is it still true that Boeing has made more 737 than Airbus has made total airplanes?" Here are the numbers. Airbus all a/c orders, 5287. total delive
63 Boeing7E7 : Really, aside from the plain statement of a fact, what else does it mean? It means Airbus didn't kill the 737 as many like to claim.
64 DAirbus : Perhaps he is talking about the overhead panel. The overhead panel is very similar to a classic. Rumor is that the engineers at Boeing wanted to desig
65 SonicKidatBWI : Someone is egregiously wrong about this "flat engine nasceles" issue. I read in more than one publication that one of the major highlights of the Next
66 ClassicLover : They are, indeed. The 737-300/400/500 are the flattened ones, the NG ones are round. Trent.
67 Post contains images Lockheed1011 : The 737 is a great looking aircraft and reliable. Another Working Horse by Boeing!
68 Post contains links and images IDAWA : It is also an extremely solid aircraft! Who ever thought that PR-GOO (GOL 737-700) would ever return to flying status, after his close encounter with
69 Post contains images Luxair : It's always a pleasure to fly on a 737 but my all favourite one is still the 747
70 PANAM_DC10 : L.1011 Thanks for a very detailed response to my question, much appreciated. When you wrote: The last commercial 707 was delivered in 1978 and Boeing
71 BrightCedars : I love the Baby Boeing! Flown the 200, 300, 400, 500, 800 & 900 and they are all excellent birds. If you ask me, the 200 was the best of them all. On
72 TinPusher007 : SonickidatBWI....If you look at a 737NG straight on, you'll see that the bottoms of the nacelles are still flattened out a bit. You are right that the
73 Boeing7E7 : Southwest nixed that idea because they would of had to stock two types of radomes for their fleet which goes against their commonality philosophy. Can
74 Juventus : SWA has this much influence on Boeing. WHY? Are they the only ones buying 737s?
75 TinPusher007 : Juventus...considering that the 737 is the one and only aircraft hat SWA flies and that they were the launch customer....yes they have significant inf
76 Muttley02 : Slightly off topic but... I started my career as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer in 1980 learning my trade on the Jurassic Classic 737-200 then worki
77 HAWK21M : The B732 was the 1st Heavy Category Aircraft I ever worked on & Today I still remember the day I first noticed it. Very Mx Friendly Aircraft. I wonder
78 MarcJet66 : I am a great fan of the Airbus Aircrafts, but I just want to say the 737 is plane like no other. Reliability, versatility, range and comfort. Congratu
79 Karan69 : its always nice to see narrowbody sales may they be the A32x, the 73x or even the Emb-190s
80 Bill142 : Toyota has been making the Camry almost as long This analogy comapred to planes doesn't work. Camry is a name for a particular model. However since it
81 Post contains images RayChuang : If I remember correctly, the 737-800 was designed as a replacement for the 727-200, given that both planes have similar seating capacities. But then,
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