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What Exactly Are These Pilots Doing?  
User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 948 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

I was doing my daily browse through new photos and came across this photo which im sure many of you have also. I just couldnt help but post about this picture. I am a instrument rated pilot so I have some flying experience, but cannot for the life of me figure out what these pilots are doing during this takeoff. First off that is dangerously close to a tailstrike (or maybe it was), and second the landing gear are already in transition!!!! they couldnt possibly confirm positive rate of climb when the main wheels are literally inches from the pavement. Either this is some sort of training/test flight or they are hotdogging it in which I wouldnt want to fly on Magnicharter. Anyone have any ideas or input?
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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

It's an illusion. You can't see the rwy from which they are departing.

pelican

edit: unbelievable I was the first one to reply  Big thumbs up

[Edited 2005-02-10 23:52:31]

User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Ditto Pelican - the runway you can see is in the background, not underneath the aircraft.

Rich


User currently offlineJMV From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

It appears to me a matter of camera angle and depth perception. To me it looks like this plane is well off the runway, which is out of the picture at the bottom of the image. The runway that "appears" to be beneath the plane is a parallel runway, not the one used by the plane.

Just my thoughts.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

It may be an optical illusion - the paved surface you see in the picture is probably not the runway they are taking off from, the real runway being below the frame of the picture so the aircraft is higher above ground than you think ?

[EDIT: Wow !! three people beat me to it  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ]

[Edited 2005-02-10 23:45:56]


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

I might be wrong, but I'd say the runway visible in the back is a parallel runway and the plane isn't just "inches from the ground" - while it does seem a bit early for the gears to be retracting, the picture does look a bit less dramatic if you look at it in a higher resolution...

Regards,
Frank

P.S.: Wow... I was really slow... several other replies while I was typing...

[Edited 2005-02-10 23:46:44]


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6350 times:
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I think the tailstrike issue is just an optical illusion. The runway they took off from is below the photo, not visible. The actual altitude of the aircraft is probably more like 40 or 50 feet.


2H4


Edit: Damn...you guys are fast...beat me to the punch.

[Edited 2005-02-10 23:46:57]


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User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

illusion... uh uh uh uh ahaa !
illusion... uh uh uh uh ahaa !



Whatever
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

I'm gonna guess they're flying an airplane???

That's what it looks like to me, at least.


User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

S12PPL,
wow your smart!

I now see exactly whats going on here. It had me going good until you guys mentioned that its just a depth perception illusion. My bad  Wink/being sarcastic

Thanks guys


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Really and truly TrnsWrld , i cant see how you could be fooled by this illusion. To me, the aircraft looks twice the size of the "runway" behind it which would be a dead giveaway that that was not the runway it took off from. However, it'll be fair to say that at some point in time we all have been fooled by shots like these including myself, however, this one cleary didnt. Good shot though by the photographer  Big thumbs up.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

yah ya know LimaFoxTango, I admit I dont even see how I was fooled by this picture. Your right after looking again that 737 is enormous compared to that runway seen in the background. What can I say its been a long week at work.

User currently offlineCitjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Biggest giveaway are the heat waves of the exhaust extending past the concrete in question. Yea, the "real" runway is completely out of the shot.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5691 times:
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Now this is almost a tailstrike:


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5677 times:

Taking off RWY 5L at MEX, you are looking at 5R.

User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Even though this is an illusion, I have heard that many pilots flying for Mexican airlines are former AirForce just as in the US and they sometimes revert back to military days of steep climb and gear up ASAP. It is still a cool picture and I agree if you analyze it is is fairly easy to see the plane is much higher than we think.

Later,
J



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Juventus (reply 14):
Taking off RWY 5L at MEX, you are looking at 5R.


False! Aircraft was departing runway 23R. Runway behind is 23L.

Quoting Jtamu97 (reply 15):
Even though this is an illusion, I have heard that many pilots flying for Mexican airlines are former AirForce just as in the US and they sometimes revert back to military days of steep climb and gear up ASAP


False! Air Force pilots stay at the Air Force! MAF pilots enjoy of high salaries thanks to our taxes and that's one of the main reasons many MAF pilots don't even try to enter commercial aviation unless it's MX or AM but in the last 3 years none of these carriers have hired due to 9/11th and more!!!

Ricardo APM



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting Jtamu97 (reply 15):
Even though this is an illusion, I have heard that many pilots flying for Mexican airlines are former AirForce just as in the US and they sometimes revert back to military days of steep climb and gear up ASAP


70% of Pilots at BD are ex IAF.When they fly B732SFs they Fly B732SFs not MIGs  Smile
regds
MEL



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