Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6459 times:
Why in the world did many airlines standardize around a 31" seat pitch? Did they do some sort of study that showed that it is cruel and unusual punsihment for taller people, so let's do it? I understand the business logic of packing in as many seats as possible into an airframe, but why was 31" the magic number?
ANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6295 times:
I said it one and I'll say it again..... All planes should have 3 classes.... Coach 29", Coach Plus 33" and then First.... All the deeply discounted tickets go to the back of the jet.... Full fair in Coach Plus and so on and so forth..... The class of service should also be different..... Economy only serve water, coffee, and tea sell everything else. Economy plus full beverage and again so on.......Also section the plane off in each class....
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5581 times:
>Yesterday I read that some charter carrier had decided on a 28" pitch on it's new aircraft. Anyone remember who that was?<
Wouldn't that be classified as torture? I don't know which airline announced that, but likely a UK-based charter airline, as those have a tendency for a lack of pitch (didn't Britannia have 29" some years ago?)
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4617 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5530 times:
ERJ170... people are getting taller and "big"ger. So why are the airlines going in the opposite direction with the seats? I'm waiting for someone to figure out they can squeeze more people in a jet if they go with a 16" wide seat and a 28" pitch. Put in a proper seat and charge accordingly. Don't make the seats so small and uncomfortable that people can't use them and then try and rip them off with a high fare for what should be considered a normal seat.
Shamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5417 times:
31" is a reasonable compromise used by many of the world's leading airlines. It may not be the most comfortable arrangement but increasing the pitch would result in less seats in the economy cabin. Some pax moan about lack of space, but I'm sure they'd be the first to say something when fares increase due to a lesser number of seats.
Many airlines now have enhanced economy cabins offering extra legroom and seat width for good value prices so "there isn't enough room" isn't really a valid excuse anymore on airlines such as BA and VS - the pax have a choice.
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3786 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
The 28" Seats aint as bad as people make out. The one's who complain have probably never flown on an a.c with 28" seat pitch
Please say you are joking. The only flight I've done recently in coach (that was more than 40mins) was on UA in E+ and I found it very claustrophobic and this was on a relatively short hop from LHR-IAD.
The only time I've done 28" pitch (must have been) was when we went skiing and the company hired a JMC aircraft. The flight was only from LGW-LYS but found it agonisingly painful. I'm glad I was in BA F the week after!
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ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6857 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
I agree... the seat situation can be a little binding.. but why are they going smaller? to fit more people in an aircraft.. to make money.. to cover their expenses that continue to rise all the time.. the days of the 80s and 90s are gone.. airlines had a different luxury then.. money was not an issue for most.. but today, almost every airline is having some sort of money issue. Even the might Southwest and jetBlue are not making as much money as they did earlier.. so they have to do what they can do to maintain finincials..
Can taking out 6 seats make a difference? Well, let's see.. here's an example.. if you are working hourly and make $20/hour.. would 6 hours every week from now on make a difference? I would think so.
Aiming High and going far..
: Im 5 ft 10, and find the seating not too cramped at all, unless your sitting next to a big person. My flights tend to be on average, 4 hours long, eg
: I'm a 5' 10" 13 year old and the seat pitch doesn't bother me. In fact, I hardly ever lean the seat back at all, even on my LAX-OGG flight. Fbgdavidso
: I was once on a Garuda (or Merpati?) F-28 that had what must have been 24" or 26" seat pitch. Even with totally trashed seat cushions, I couldn't get
: The reason they are going in opposite directs with seats is because fares are lower NOT HIGHER! Do you people seriously live in dream world aviation!
: The 28" Seats aint as bad as people make out. The one's who complain have probably never flown on an a.c with 28" seat pitch. You are joking! Every ex
: 28", hmmmmmm. Either Corsair or Martinair. Martinair is one of the charter carriers for a country known for having quite tall citizens. I don't get it
: Gone are the wonderful days when it cost $750-$800 to fly coach from Atlanta to JFK on a DC-6B instead of $200-$250 on an MD-88 (inflation adjusted).
: Unfortunately, you're wrong. The industry has been commoditized. You can't offer better service and more room and be able to expect more bookings. Mos
: Just out of curiousity, how is seat pitch determined exactly? I understand it's the distance from the back of the seat in front of you to the front of
: Thank god Allegiant no longer has a 29" seat pitch, that wasn't enough for a 3+ hour flight.
: You will find 28" seat pitch on a number of British registered charter aircraft. 29" is the standard but there are a few seats on the charter aircraft
: you consider LHR-IAD short hop? Indeed. Anything over 10hrs for me is a long flight. Even the flight crew often say, 'For this short flight to Washing
: Seat pitch is the distance between any point on a given seat, and the same point on the seat in front (or behind) - so in this case you're measuring f
: Hotje wrote "I don't get it, so I don't fly them" Exactly what I do, I prefer to pay a bit more and get some comfort rather as to sit in a 28" torture
: Wasn't the 34inch Seat pitch with the old style seats though? Now you have more leg room thanks to the thin seats and get the same reclination?
: SEATS MAKE MONEY NOT LEG ROOM!!!! No matter what an airline offers you will still fly it! No, not true. America West has lost several thousand in busi
: AnnoyedFA, I'm sorry, but since you don't actually SIT in those seats it is natural to feel that seat pitch should be smaller. So I don't blame you.
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