Asa_737 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 82 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
Just heard from a friend that we announced DFW yesterday. Nothing yet in a press release but if you look at alaskaair.com and go the the route map...DFW is now a city Alaska serves. I'm sure more info is to come. Exciting news!
KabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5899 times:
I think AS is very intelligent and savvy when it comes to their route structure. DFW will be great for AS. To all of you at AS, best of luck on the new route - what a great airline AS is!!!! (Even when you don't give me food on First.... those of you involved in my post a few days ago can smile at this ) Keep up the great work AS!!!!
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Dadoftyler From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 322 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5766 times:
AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal, first with Braniff then with AA. It was discontinued in the middle 90's.
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2727 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5731 times:
AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal
I was on a couple flights out of DFW to SEA (Sunday evenings the best I recall) during that time that was AA flight number and AS metal. It really confused a many a passenger walking up to the gate and seeing the Eskimo.
I was told many things for the reason for AS metal including that AA did some MX for AS and the flight was to return the plane to AS system. I never did really get a straight answer why that arrangement was made.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 41 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5492 times:
Ehh, it's not an international carrier, nor is it someone to fill 20 empty gates, but it is something new. I think this a real win-win route for both airlines. Dallas not only has high fares (I wouldn't be fooled into thinking that AS will drop fares significantly in the market), decent local traffic, but also offers good codeshare opportunities throughout the South for AS--especially in the burgeoning Southeastern markets.
A red eye from SEA to DFW - Gosh that stinks!
DFW is the king of crappy redeyes. SEA-DFW isn't as bad as LAS-DFW (average length of 2:30) or So Cal-DFW.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5459 times:
Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to?
Other than the addition of D/FW to the map, it's interesting that there's been no announcement on this. It's not on either the AS public or employee web sites. I don't necessarily doubt its happening, based on the information above, I'm just curious why they haven't announced anything? I wonder if AA is going to code share on this flight, like the do on some of the other shared destinations. Based on the fact that they're running a red-eye, which will make ideal connections to the morning departures to the Southeast, I'm guessing yes.
Good luck AS - great to see you expanding in this day and age of cutbacks.
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9194 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5409 times:
I am glad to see this. Fares hopefully will be reasonable on the route with some competition.
I flew on the DFW-SEA route right around 1990 on an AA flight with AS metal. I found it a really odd thing to see that little white plane (727) at the gate compared to all silver AA planes (I was pretty young at the time). It was my first trip on AS metal and it was really odd how we parked at D concourse in SEA rather then C at the time.
It is great to see AS birds back in DFW. The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet. Recent expansions have involved using the fleet more efficiently and the first redeye is a great example of this.
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Mdl21483 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
I could imagine them making many more new flights from OAK PDX LAX/LGB ANC SEA and SAN to other cities in Texas besides DFW, namely IAH and SAT. AS has had a long codeshare history with Continental and Delta, so maybe somewhere down the line they'll take the next step & become official SkyTeam members.
Hell, I've already created AI routes for AS to IAH for FltSim2004! :-p
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AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4785 times:
Mel...little insights for you. First,do not expect AS to fly from any of those cities you mention to DFW/IAH/SAT. Not going to happen. Second, we will not become part of SkyTeam any time soon, if ever. Alaska is perfectly happy in the position we are in now. Third, as Widget said we just started codesharing a month or two ago with DL. Its not a long term relationship yet. NW is are longest standing partner.
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Richie87 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4764 times:
Yes... I think it's pretty cool news that Alaska is doing the DFW route. I agree with those who think it's a fine airline, and pretty savvy when it comes to marketing. They have some great transcon non-stops, such as SEA to MIA, which I flew on recently. I had not been a real fan of "red-eye" flights, but was surprised that it really was all right; arrived in MIA in the morning, and "saved" an overnight hotel expense as well. The "overnight" part of it was a BREEZE compared to the connection hassle somewhere in the middle of the country. I live in the US Northwest and think that Alaska-Horizon have their act pretty well together.... yeah !
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 64 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4721 times:
The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet.
I keep reading "red-eye", "red-eye", as if it's the only service they're starting. As pointed out in reply #3, there are two new flights SEA-DFW to start. One will be a daytime flight that's the continuation of AS 808 from ANC, and the standalone flight, AS 810, will be the red-eye.
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25 Burnsie28: Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to? NW and AS have a gentlemens agreement, AS cant fly any NW route and NW cant fly and AS route, NW gave u
26 LV: Actually, looking at the timing I wonder if this won't be a cargo heavy flight....bringing fresh fish to the metroplex everyday maybe?
27 AirlineBrat: I remember the AA/AS Pipeline flights. I think I flew that run in early January 1989. I flew an AA DC-10 from EWR-DFW then an AS 727-200 from DFW-SEA-
28 ANCFlyer: I believe, please correct me, that AS had a similar arrangement into ORD with AA. I have on many occasions - long ago - seen AS 727s on the ground at
29 AirlineBrat: ANCFlyer... yes they did. they may have switch to AS equipment at some point but they flew AA 727's on the WAS-ORD-SEA-ANC-FAI run and AA 727's on IAH
30 MSYtristar: I'm surprised that Josh has yet to comment on MSY being beat out by DFW once again. Oh well....the thread is still going so there's still hope. Still
31 AA767400: The announcement includes DFW-SEA, but also DFW-ANC. Both on AS metal.
32 Drerx7: Point of information--when AA/AS had the interchange agreement to Houston the service was to Hobby Airport. I'm not sure if they also had the service
33 DeltaFFinDFW: AA767400 - The ANC service is a continuation of DFW-SEA. There is no DFW-ANC direct.
34 RyDawg82: Actually that would be DFW-SEA Non-Stop, and DFW-ANC Direct (Same Aircraft Service). -R
35 N737MC: Thank you Ryan, I was about to clear up the (Direct) and (Non-Stop) terminology but you beat me to it. Later, Aaron