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Alaska Announces Service To DFW  
User currently offlineAsa_737 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Just heard from a friend that we announced DFW yesterday. Nothing yet in a press release but if you look at alaskaair.com and go the the route map...DFW is now a city Alaska serves. I'm sure more info is to come. Exciting news!

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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6568 times:
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Is it through a codeshare with American, or will Alaska have their own metal in DFW?


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User currently offlineASA_737 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Alaska's own metal..Alaska doesn't post codeshare cities on its route map on the web

User currently offlineDadoftyler From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 325 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

Interesting. It's in SABRE....AS 810 starts 20Jul, leaving SEA at 2330 arriving DFW 0520+1, AS811 starts 21Jul leaving DFW 0800 arriving SEA 1000. Equipment is 737-400. Also starting 21Jul, AS808 departs SEA 1118 arrives DFW 1708, return AS809 leaves DFW 1810 (one minute past codeshare flight AS/AA 1567) and arrives 2010. Also a 737-400.

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Saw this one coming when DL bailed and AS/DL stated partnering

AS will do very well on this route..... I am glad they jumped in there



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User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

I think AS is very intelligent and savvy when it comes to their route structure. DFW will be great for AS. To all of you at AS, best of luck on the new route - what a great airline AS is!!!! (Even when you don't give me food on First.... those of you involved in my post a few days ago can smile at this  Smile ) Keep up the great work AS!!!!


wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

A red eye from SEA to DFW - Gosh that stinks!



User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Good to see AA getting competition on some routes. Hopefully there are more routes to come from other carriers.

Jeremy


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Great news --

I know AS served DFW before. Any idea when they left?



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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

They will probably move into gates 10 or 11 to be by Delta.

User currently offlineDadoftyler From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 325 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Ssides,

AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal, first with Braniff then with AA. It was discontinued in the middle 90's.


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal

I was on a couple flights out of DFW to SEA (Sunday evenings the best I recall) during that time that was AA flight number and AS metal. It really confused a many a passenger walking up to the gate and seeing the Eskimo.
I was told many things for the reason for AS metal including that AA did some MX for AS and the flight was to return the plane to AS system. I never did really get a straight answer why that arrangement was made.

Okie


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

interesting, I guess that AS doesnt have the same agreement with AA as they do NW.


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User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

It had nothing to do with AA providing maintenance to AS.

The SEA-DFW-IAH portion (of FAI-ANC-SEA-DFW-IAH) was operated by AA crews using AS metal.

AA returned the favor by scheduling an aircraft DCA-ORD-SEA-ANC-FAI with AS crews operating the SEA-ANC-FAI legs.

This gave AS access to "Oil City" Houston and the nations' capital, DCA. It also gave AA access to Alaska.

The route was discontinued when AS retired the 727-200. Flight deck differences prevented the interchange continuing with the MD-80.


- DBC


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Ehh, it's not an international carrier, nor is it someone to fill 20 empty gates, but it is something new. I think this a real win-win route for both airlines. Dallas not only has high fares (I wouldn't be fooled into thinking that AS will drop fares significantly in the market), decent local traffic, but also offers good codeshare opportunities throughout the South for AS--especially in the burgeoning Southeastern markets.

A red eye from SEA to DFW - Gosh that stinks!

DFW is the king of crappy redeyes. SEA-DFW isn't as bad as LAS-DFW (average length of 2:30) or So Cal-DFW.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to?

Other than the addition of D/FW to the map, it's interesting that there's been no announcement on this. It's not on either the AS public or employee web sites. I don't necessarily doubt its happening, based on the information above, I'm just curious why they haven't announced anything? I wonder if AA is going to code share on this flight, like the do on some of the other shared destinations. Based on the fact that they're running a red-eye, which will make ideal connections to the morning departures to the Southeast, I'm guessing yes.

Good luck AS - great to see you expanding in this day and age of cutbacks.

Duane



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

I am glad to see this. Fares hopefully will be reasonable on the route with some competition.

I flew on the DFW-SEA route right around 1990 on an AA flight with AS metal. I found it a really odd thing to see that little white plane (727) at the gate compared to all silver AA planes (I was pretty young at the time). It was my first trip on AS metal and it was really odd how we parked at D concourse in SEA rather then C at the time.

It is great to see AS birds back in DFW. The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet. Recent expansions have involved using the fleet more efficiently and the first redeye is a great example of this.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5998 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Here is the post from the Employee website:

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2005/02/11_dallas.asp

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5998 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Note that all flights will have leather seats. Also, they will have IFE (digi player) onboard.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom/asnews/ASstories/AS_20050211_170211.asp


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User currently offlineMdl21483 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

I could imagine them making many more new flights from OAK PDX LAX/LGB ANC SEA and SAN to other cities in Texas besides DFW, namely IAH and SAT. AS has had a long codeshare history with Continental and Delta, so maybe somewhere down the line they'll take the next step & become official SkyTeam members.

Hell, I've already created AI routes for AS to IAH for FltSim2004! :-p

~Mel~



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2071 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

DL only just started its code share relationship with AS. There has never been a codeshare relationship between AS and DL before. Maybe you were thinking about NW.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5998 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Mel...little insights for you. First,do not expect AS to fly from any of those cities you mention to DFW/IAH/SAT. Not going to happen. Second, we will not become part of SkyTeam any time soon, if ever. Alaska is perfectly happy in the position we are in now. Third, as Widget said we just started codesharing a month or two ago with DL. Its not a long term relationship yet. NW is are longest standing partner.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineRichie87 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Yes... I think it's pretty cool news that Alaska is doing the DFW route. I agree with those who think it's a fine airline, and pretty savvy when it comes to marketing. They have some great transcon non-stops, such as SEA to MIA, which I flew on recently. I had not been a real fan of "red-eye" flights, but was surprised that it really was all right; arrived in MIA in the morning, and "saved" an overnight hotel expense as well. The "overnight" part of it was a BREEZE compared to the connection hassle somewhere in the middle of the country. I live in the US Northwest and think that Alaska-Horizon have their act pretty well together.... yeah !

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet.

I keep reading "red-eye", "red-eye", as if it's the only service they're starting. As pointed out in reply #3, there are two new flights SEA-DFW to start. One will be a daytime flight that's the continuation of AS 808 from ANC, and the standalone flight, AS 810, will be the red-eye.



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25 Burnsie28 : Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to? NW and AS have a gentlemens agreement, AS cant fly any NW route and NW cant fly and AS route, NW gave u
26 LV : Actually, looking at the timing I wonder if this won't be a cargo heavy flight....bringing fresh fish to the metroplex everyday maybe?
27 Post contains images AirlineBrat : I remember the AA/AS Pipeline flights. I think I flew that run in early January 1989. I flew an AA DC-10 from EWR-DFW then an AS 727-200 from DFW-SEA-
28 ANCFlyer : I believe, please correct me, that AS had a similar arrangement into ORD with AA. I have on many occasions - long ago - seen AS 727s on the ground at
29 AirlineBrat : ANCFlyer... yes they did. they may have switch to AS equipment at some point but they flew AA 727's on the WAS-ORD-SEA-ANC-FAI run and AA 727's on IAH
30 MSYtristar : I'm surprised that Josh has yet to comment on MSY being beat out by DFW once again. Oh well....the thread is still going so there's still hope. Still
31 AA767400 : The announcement includes DFW-SEA, but also DFW-ANC. Both on AS metal.
32 Drerx7 : Point of information--when AA/AS had the interchange agreement to Houston the service was to Hobby Airport. I'm not sure if they also had the service
33 DeltaFFinDFW : AA767400 - The ANC service is a continuation of DFW-SEA. There is no DFW-ANC direct.
34 RyDawg82 : Actually that would be DFW-SEA Non-Stop, and DFW-ANC Direct (Same Aircraft Service). -R
35 N737MC : Thank you Ryan, I was about to clear up the (Direct) and (Non-Stop) terminology but you beat me to it. Later, Aaron
36 AA767400 : Thanks for the clear up guys.
37 Post contains images Qxq400 : Way to go AS I remember working for both National and AA in SEA the DFW flights were always full. With the ZED fares AAG employees get out of AA this
38 Wedgetail737 : So, how will AA react to the recent announcement by AS to fly the SEA-DFW route?
39 737-990 : How will AA react? Probably the same reaction it had when AS started SEA-ORD last year, which was to do nothing. It's to AAs advantage to have a partn
40 RoseFlyer : I don't think that AA will have too much of a problem with the new competition. They aren't completely going after the same passengers. For AA, they f
41 Post contains links and images Brian_ga : I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's AS coming into DFW. The flight almost always started it's return leg between 11am-12pm. It's great new
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