Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8321 times:
being a DEL guy, I'd have preferred it to be ATQ-DEL-BHX-YYZ and visa versa. I presume most of the passengers will agree with me. If there isn't much price difference I'd go the AC way.
Moreover wasn't Air Slovakia being discussed in regards to MXP-ATQ route.
rgds
Aseem
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
there's no point of going eastwards and and then to BHX.
that I know, but the point is that most passenger will be boarding/disembarking at DEL and there is no point in wasting their time with one additional stop.
If I am not wrong then even Ahmedabad London flight goes to BOM first and then to LHR.
rgds
Aseem
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8257 times:
I presume most of the passengers will agree with me.
I am not most. I think it is great AI added ATQ to the oversea network, realizing the number of ethnical Punjus in BHX and YYZ.. they will do a great job on that flight, and I applaud their decision
but the point is that most passenger will be boarding/disembarking at DEL and there is no point in wasting their time with one additional stop.
How do you know? Have you ever travelled a flight bound from Canada to India, seeing the number of People from Punjab?? Then, a family of 4++ would rather save a couple pf dollars and lakhs of Rupees and encounter a stop in ATQ than paying for a more expensive flights - it is a group of pax where price beats time as deciding factor.. I remember arriving at DEL from Europe as a kid, then the Maruti Minibuses, with the Nanis, Matajis, Chahajis, Cousins, Bhaias, and Didis, picking up the oversea pax for a 8 hrs + journey to Punjab, all the euphoria etc..
Being a 'Punjabi Delhi guy', I think the decision is great and far-sighted.. entering ethnic markets will help Air-India against their competition.. and why do you think LH, BA want to fly to every field, which calls itself an airport in Europe??
No offense, my friend, but I think you are very wrong in your analysis
If I am not wrong then even Ahmedabad London flight goes to BOM first and then to LHR.
You are wrong. teh 2/7 is routed BOM-AMD-LHR, and it is good they do that, since they are out oif competition and serve a strong ethnic market - that is twhat their strategy is supposed to be
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8232 times:
MrNiji
FYI!! I have traveled from Canada to Delhi both ways and am very much familiar with demographics of both the places.
just couple of points. Even if this flight is exclusively for Punjabi market, there is no statistical data to suggest that all will head towards Punjab. Quite a few will go to places in and around Delhi. Being the only flight to YYZ, AI should also think in terms of passengers belonging to rest of India.
The reason why LH, BA and SQ are starting exclusive flights to ATQ is because they already service other destinations in India.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8206 times:
OK, computer crashed, so streamlöined response:
Quite a few will go to places in and around Delhi
So, the flight is ending in DEL, eh? (guess, could be turnaround for DEL-FRA-LAX)
Being the only flight to YYZ, AI should also think in terms of passengers belonging to rest of India.
Oh, tell this the offices in LAX, ORD, NBO, DAR... or should that flight end in BOM, too.. ? It is the chance of Air-India to serve smaller destinations like ATQ, AMD etc. with MCLR - or should we leave it to BA and LH tb pioneers again and enter with a comp disadv? - why should they offer a flight to a place other than ATQ if YYZ is packed with Sadars and Mundians from Punjab? - and they are out of competition... it would not surprise me if they srtart a code-sharing with AC, too
The reason why LH, BA and SQ are starting exclusive flights to ATQ is because they already service other destinations in India.
Could you post a press-statement or sth similar about LH/BA entering ATQ? I must have missed this. I think it is good that India offers a flight with convenient routing for its diaspora - economies of scales are not everything in the world .
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8182 times:
Operating DEL-ATQ-BHX rather than ATQ-DEL-BHX allows the crew to operate through with Delhi and Birmingham layovers and avoids having to open Amritsar as a layover station. The other option considered was a triangle operation with BHX-ATQ-DEL-BHX (similar to the JED-LKO-DEL-JED triangles), but the scheduling was not compatible.
PIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8170 times:
Slightly off topic, but i just noticed the the New Zealand crewing agency that supplies Air India with the much needed instructors on the 777s, now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India. What is Air India up to?
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8166 times:
Are they using the 2nd and 3rd B777
The 777 utility is capped out with the 3 planes dedicated to 5/7 AI 131, 3/7 AI 137 and 3/7 AI 187 respectively - rotating through Delhi with 4 days of weekly scheduled maintenance between them. In the case of an AOG situation, AI 131/137 can be covered by a 744 and that 777s will slide back into a 2-aircraft rotation. In the winter schedule, I understand that preliminary plans call for AI 131 to transition back to a 744 and the 3rd 777 will be reallocated to other flying. Still more than a month of tweaking before that will be finalised though.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8157 times:
i just noticed the the New Zealand crewing agency that supplies Air India with the much needed instructors on the 777s, now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8156 times:
My apologies!!
Why? No need to apologize- discussions on a.net are often a little harsh, and you need hard flesh (try it out in non-av, you will be able to act as a tiger tehn) - sorry from my side if I offended you, just disagreed - I know I tehd to sound aggressive sometine, but am really very nice - Apology fdrom my side, shouldn't happen again (dun wanna be banned again)
now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India. What is Air India up to?
EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7892 times:
Flights are now loaded in to sabre and bookable, is the reason the flight goes BHX-ATQ-DEL something to do with the runway length at BHX is DEL on a 777 just a little to far out of Brum?
26 Mrniji: Thx, EK-UK! Looks like they have traffic rights ex BHX-YYZ-BHX! Yups, the new bilat between UK/India is very liberal, and afaik Canada does not really
27 B747-437B: afaik Canada does not really have the choice of allowing/denying 5th freedoms They absolutely do (as does every soveriegn state), but considering that
28 Aseem: More flights to UK, US on runway BANGALORE: The party in the skies may just be starting. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel told The Economic Times
29 Mrniji: guys!! things are not ending here itself. We expect to see some more action coming summers. yeah, the question is from whom.. maybe from the leasing d
30 Jfazzer: BUMS! Iwas hoping that we would get the next AI service into Manchester. I am surprised though! PIA must be making a mint.
31 Karan69: Does ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailabili
32 Mrniji: Does ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailabili
33 B747-437B: ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailability of
34 Karan69: Are you sure they won't use a rotten 310 instead?? IMHO, they should not start any new route or service with that aircraft, whose bussiness class is a
35 Yyz717: afaik Canada does not really have the choice of allowing/denying 5th freedoms They absolutely do (as does every soveriegn state), but considering that
36 Jasepl: Hmmm... Looking at timings and routing, this is obviously going to be an O&D-oriented friends & family operation. The 10h15 departure from Dilly won't
37 Aseem: And oh yeah, it truly is incredible how AI almost never fail to deliver; trust them to turn a 15-hour flight into a 22-hour one! if i have to sit at o
38 TRVYYZ: Today I received an e-mail from my travel agent "Air India launches direct flights to Amritsar" from C$1379.00. Travel Period "15May to 09June 2005" w
39 Aseem: "Air India launches direct flights to Amritsar" from C$1379.00. Travel Period "15May to 09June 2005" with a ticketing deadline of March 31, 2005. what
40 TRVYYZ: what does travel period between May 15 and June 09 mean?is it for this particular fare or what. I guess so. That's what I received.
41 Gamps: Will Canadian govt provide any special security for this flight as Canada still plays host to thousands of Khalistani Sikh militants. Let us not forge
42 Behramjee: Jasepl, I totally agree with you and even raised this question in a previous post of mine last week concerning the demand for F class on certain AI fl
43 Yyz717: Will Canadian govt provide any special security for this flight as Canada still plays host to thousands of Khalistani Sikh militants. I hope not! Why
44 TRVYYZ: yyz717 Indian govt. is not responsible for the security at Pearson. How the hell did a bomb get into the Aircraft? Shame on you.
45 Yyz717: How the hell did a bomb get into the Aircraft? By an Indian national, that's how. Whether of Sikh or Hindu background is irrelevant to 99% of Canadian
46 Aseem: Negative. They were not Canadians. That 1985 Air-India tragedy was seen thru-out Canada as an Indian event, not a Canadian event. All the victims were
47 Yyz717: who care which way "you" see. That act of crime was planned and executed from Canadian soil. 99% of Canadians who are not Indians see it my way. It wa
48 Aseem: Perhaps Canada needs to review or restrict Sikh immigration or visitation (or A-I flights from Amritsar) if the Sikh community cannot contain its extr
49 Yyz717: I am talking about the security lapse that happened. How can you ignore that? Easily! It's an Indian crime! Canada was not at war with anyone in 1985.
50 Sammyk: Hahaha this is ridiculous! If Canada is not at war with a country they don't have to bother with security at their OWN airport? Security should not de
51 Aseem: ANYWAY, I look fwd to seeing A-I return to YYZ on whatever routing with whatever aircraft. But I protest loudly any addl security costs that I as a Cd
52 Aseem: ANYWAY, I look fwd to seeing A-I return to YYZ on whatever routing with whatever aircraft. But I protest loudly any addl security costs that I as a Cd
53 Yyz717: Finally!! don't you provide extra security to LY? And who pays for that. Same thing. That should be paid for by Israel. Not Canadian tax payers. Any a
54 VictorTango: Any addl security at YYZ covered by Cdn authorities for LY flights should be billed to Israel YYZ717 AFAIK usually when an airline is provided 'adddit
55 Yyz717: Thanks Victor Tango. Sounds like A-I will have to foot the bill for any addl security for A-I flights at YYZ. Good. It's unfortunate A-I did not provi
56 VictorTango: It's unfortunate A-I did not provide this addl security in 1985 It's not 'A-I did not provide', rather they did not request for additional security. I
57 Karan69: Great thoughts Olly----if only people dint see money [in the form of bribes]---i suspect thats the only way a bomb can get into a flight--has to be an
58 Jasepl: if i have to sit at one place that long, i rather take AC. Saves me one and half hour. I don't know where you're going to from where, but if you compa
59 B747-437B: if you compate AI and AC's flight duration from start to finish, AC save you at least 7 hours. And they have IFE. A bit of a no-brainer here Actually,
60 TRVYYZ: Besides, you guys live in Canada, don't you? Perhaps you even have a Canadian passport. If you do, then Canadian airports, secutity agencies and gover
61 Aseem: Jasepl I'd strongly suggest you read YYZ717's initial mails. Take you time and note the tone and tenor of his statements. It has got nothing to do wit
62 Aseem: Good. It's unfortunate A-I did not provide this addl security in 1985.....269 Indian nationals (and their hundreds of descendents perhaps) might still
63 B747-437B: If you wanted to travel from anywhere other than ATQ to anywhere other than YYZ then, you'd have to be really, really desperate My dad's reaction on t
64 VictorTango: Air India's B777-200ERs that will be used to Toronto have PTVs in all classes Sean, are these PTVs functional already? Olly
65 B747-437B: as far as F class goes, I really see no demand for it I understand that at least one of the 777s will be converted into a 2-class layout without F cla
66 Behramjee: Even though AC offers nonstop service from Canada to India, those pax heading for ATQ especially from YYZ, I feel will definitely choose AI over AC vi
67 TRVYYZ: However as far as YYZ-DEL-YYZ goes, I would still expect AC to maintain its hold on this market segment My question is why not Bom instead of Del(I've
68 Aseem: I must say, this flight is catering exclusively to those going to ATQ and DEL in particular. SU and KU offer similar rates with destination to other p
69 TRVYYZ: Aseem, the cheapest flight to DEL from YYZ is by AeroSvit Ukrainian Airlines at the moment. About Kerala, there are fares for two routes ie, YYZ-TRV a
70 Vimanav: This routing was expected. I personally see AI doing very well even though airline economics are skeptical about a multi stop routings. ATQ is THE mar
71 Aseem: two arguments in one thread!! I can't believe myself...btw I am also very nice was just a friendly cuddle btw me an MrNiji.... Santhosh! It seems ther
72 EnviroTO: It makes no sense that an airline would require extra security at all. Either there is enough security in place to ensure bombs don't get on aircraft
73 Airish: From the UK AI should do well on the flight from the UK. Research that I am doing for my project at University tells me that people are currently not
74 Karan69: Apart from BMI is their any other airline operating the BHX-YYZ leg. Pran certainly knows the ethnic Panju pax very well---he is absolutely right abou
75 Yyz717: Apart from BMI is their any other airline operating the BHX-YYZ leg. BMI operated MAN-YYZ last summer, and have never operated BHX-YYZ. The only curre
76 EmiratesUK: I think the BHX-YYZ will also attract high loads, the summer charter services are usually packed out, AI may attract a fare few passengers especially
77 Aseem: There are several charter flights from UK to Goa--so i certainly see a good load factor on the flights. Or maybe IC could perform these routes AFAIK!!
78 Sebring: My reasons why the AI flight will prove to be more popular than AC are: 1. Comfort factor: AI with its "Pind" appeal to the Punjabi masses - something
79 Jaysit: Canada should not have to then foot the bill for higher security. Let India pay for it. Then using your flawed logic, Paris should be charging the Uni
80 Jasepl: As for you guys in India, eventhough you guys got freedom from the British in 1947, your minds are still slaves to what the white saheb's say to you.
81 HAWK21M: Whats on the Next B777s for AI.Whats their Arrival Schedule like & is it Mumbai. regds MEL
82 Jasepl: So does your reality of citizenship. Canadian = someone who carries a Canadian passport. That's true Jay. However, what does one say when the people w
83 Jasepl: Actually, while Air Canada's A340-300s used on the Delhi route have only mainscreen entertainment in Economy Class, Air India's B777-200ERs that will
84 Nimish: This is my first post, though I've been reading the forums for over a year now I was at BOM yesterday (on my way back from London on AI 160 operated b
85 TRVYYZ: However, what does one say when the people with the Canadian passport say things such as: My blood is Indian an not half french. Let the Indians speak
86 Mrniji: if i have to sit at one place that long, i rather take AC. Saves me one and half hour. I hope not! Why the hell should my tax dollars be used to pay f
87 Stealthpilot: Amazing how such a simple thread can turn out so sour -Nikhil
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