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AA A300 At LHR  
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

What was this AA A300 doing at LHR?

Possibly operating an atlantic hop? Must have been pushing the range...


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7786 times:

someone could probably give you more detailed information, however several years ago it was not unusual to see A300's make the trip across the pond. In fact the EWR-LHR flt was scheduled as an A300 for some time. When AA started receiving the 772's, AA took the A300 off of transatlantic flts and used them strickly for flts to the caribbean and South America

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

I initially thought equipment change, but then I noticed that there are actually quite a few AA A300 pics at LHR. Did AA used to fly a scheduled A300 to LHR? The pictures are all between 1997 and 2002.

Edit: I guess the previous post answers that question.  Smile

Harry

[Edited 2005-02-12 08:19:14]


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Yes, AA used them on BOS/EWR/JFK-LHR and BOS-ORY (later CDG) for a few years before the 777s and 767s (in the case of BOS-CDG) took over.

LH423



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User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

3-class A-300-605R a/c were used for some time LHR-BOS/EWR/JFK, offering more capacity than a 762 and during a period when AA was short of -ER capacity.

Westbound weight restrictions were indeed an issue, especially in the winter when winds aloft are stronger.

A/C shifted off transatlantic service after route rationalization and delivery of 777s.


- DBC

P.S.: The 747-SP also operated LHR-JFK for a time, but this was much earlier (removed from DFW-NRT when the MD-11 hit the scene). The SP had to go somewhere and JFK-LHR made the most sense since the a/c was maintained at JFK (and had to be ferried there from DFW when it was DFW-based.


User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Seen them at Glasgow sometimes aswell.

User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Flew LHR-BOS on an AA A300 in 1998- my recollection was a comfortable flight with a spacious cabin in Economy.

I flew back on an AA MD11 JFK-LHR.
Funny to think that both the A300 and MD11 are growing increasingly rare- especially across the pond.

I love the A300- my favourite aircraft of all time.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Thank you for the responses, that seems to explain it  Big grin


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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

In 2001, it was current at LHR to see the AA A300 Landing at 21.00pm.

It was the day service flying from JFK.



User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

I believe that I have seen the A300's in FRA on more than one occasion back in the day.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

There were 7 A300's in the AA fleet allocated to and configured specifically for the LHR services in the 90's. As someone mentioned, as the 777 fleet grew, the A300 fleet was re-allocated back to the US-Caribbean routes.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

United also operated B757s to Heathrow in "those days." Now all we get is B777's and the odd UA B767 or B747. T7's aren't bad, but more variety was great.

-Stephen


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7031 times:
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United have never operated B757s to Heathrow, or any other trans-Atlantic destination. They have used various B747 models, including both the SP and -400 on their LHR routes in the past though.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

I remember seeing a B757 there when i came back from Vancouver in 2000, and i saw one about a month later too. My eyes weren't failing me.

-Stephen


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Crosswind is correct. UA has never flown the 752 on transatlantic services. The 763 can be briefly mistaken for a 752 from a certain angle.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6987 times:
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You must have seen United 762's as i've never seen a UA 757 at LHR ever, nor do i think they operated the 757 transatlantic as i don't think they are ETOPS certified. There have been 727's, 767's, 747's (SP/200/400) and ofcourse 777's flown to LHR. AA used to send a variety of aircraft up until a few years ago, MD-11's, 767-200/300 and the A300 were common sights, now you see a dozen or so 777's daily.




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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6965 times:

Hmmm, you may be right. I am pretty sure it was a B757, but it was 4 and a half years ago. I do apologize!

-Stephen


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

I think that AA was out of there minds to put the A300 on the East Coast to Europe routes. It just does not make sense. When all of those 767s where flying to the Caribbean instead of the A300.

I remember flying on JFK-LHR on an American MD-11 and flying back on a B767-200, this was back in 1994 I think.

American Airlines purchased the MD-11 for its Asian routes, so I was rarley seen flying to Europe I think.



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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Those 7 AA300's were equipped with PTV's. And a better seat pitch than the actual cramped A300's that every time you fly them, you prefer to stay standing up in the entire flight.


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

B752fantastic i agreee that the b752 is fantastic, particularly when equipped with RB211s, but where are those 7 AA A300s now? Were they equipped with PTVs in coach, or only in C-Calss?


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

American Airlines purchased the MD-11 for its Asian routes, so I was rarley seen flying to Europe I think.

AA used the M11 on ORD-LHR on a sked basis in the 90's.

but where are those 7 AA A300s now?

They are used on the US-Carib routes along with the other 27 AA A300's.

I think that AA was out of there minds to put the A300 on the East Coast to Europe routes. It just does not make sense.

Actually, it was a wise move. It made good use of the 600R range and had more capacity than the 762ER.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

AirLiban,

The PTVs where in all classes. Now those 7 A300s are back on thier Caribbean routes with out the PTVs.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

AlitaliaMD11 and Yyz717, thanks for the responses...

so i would kill to see an interior pic of those A300s...how nice of AA to remove the PTVs, lol. Why did they put the PTVs on in the first place, not like the 767s had them?

Also perhaps one of you can help answer this question which I posted last night:

How many of the 34 or however many AA A300s have been upgraded to the new blue first class interior?



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

AA operated the A300 into LHR for years on a regular basis. They took them off the LHR routes no less than half a year after 9/11. BTW, does AA still fly EWR-LHR?


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

Thrust, I believe its only BA that flies that route now.

BA 184, 186 and 188, all with 777s.



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25 Timz : "United also operated B757s to Heathrow in "those days." " Couple guys thought the claim was that UA flew the 757 transatlantic-- which isn't what he
26 Uadc8contrail : timz, those 27 routes that ua flew outta lhr were given up except for the ams/bru-lhr route.....ua kept them and flew the 67 to lhr from those 2 cites
27 B752fanatic : I don't know, but I heard once that they pulled out the A300's from the transatlantic routes because the crash of one of the A300's in New York in Nov
28 AlitaliaMD11 : Yes, they did pull them becuase of the 11/12/01 crash. I think that they might have been good planes to put on the LHR routes back then becuase the lo
29 Fleet Service : No, actually they removed the 300 from the North Atlantic when there were sufficent numbers of 777's in the fleet to take over the service. As noted a
30 N62NA : BTW, does AA still fly EWR-LHR? No. No, AA does no longer fly EWR-LHR, I think they fly to LGW?? No they don't. AA flew the sp from ewr to lhr...i fl
31 Thrust : I thought that EWR-LHR was operated by an AA Boeing 777 right around the end of the time it was flown by AA. Can anybody corroborate this?
32 Gigneil : as i don't think they are ETOPS certified. Of course they are. I thought that EWR-LHR was operated by an AA Boeing 777 right around the end of the tim
33 Post contains images Xkorpyoh : PTV in coach?! no way.. i flew JFK-LHR on an old cramp A300 without PTV. We had to land in BOS due too mechanical problems. They made us stay inside t
34 Cedarjet : The SP from Newark to LHR was indeed United, not American. AA only flew the 747SP, with maybe a few undocumented exceptions, across the Pacific, prima
35 TUGMASTER : hello all, Charlie, the SP flew out of LHR regularly when AA got the scuds fot the Japan routes.... Thrust Only types used on AA92/93 were the A300 &
36 AirxLiban : BTW every AA LHR employee are glad the shit is back in the states...good for S.F.A. Tugmaster, could you qualify that statement with a couple of reaso
37 Avianca : AA used the A300 not only into the Caribbean routes, also to density South American routes like BOG, LIM... A300 is the biggest airplane for AA regard
38 MAH4546 : Yes, they did pull them becuase of the 11/12/01 crash. No, they did not. They announced they were pulling them from trans-Atlantic service quite a whi
39 Avianca : >That doesn't make sense. The A300s seat more than the 767s, and just as many as the 777s.
40 AirxLiban : AA A300s are configured with 267 seats - 16F 251Y The 763s have 212 seats. The 772 Atlantics have 245 seats in total - 16F 35C 194Y The 772s Pacifics
41 Gigneil : PTV in coach?! Yes, I am almost positive AA's three class A300s had PTVs in coach. N
42 Timz : "For example LH uses the A300 from FRA to YMQ year ago and also to routes from FRA to BOS and to NYC (JFK and EWR)." When did LH fly A300s to JFK/EWR/
43 B752fanatic : I know that AA sometimes swaps the A300's for 767's and 777 on their routes to the caribbean and south america. Operational wise, is it more efficient
44 Avianca : When did LH fly A300s to JFK/EWR/BOS? sorry I meant years again! in the mid 90s
45 Post contains links and images AirxLiban : Well, heres an LH 310 at JFK: View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Bess
46 AA61Hvy : I was on AA 92/93 EWR-LHR great flight. My frist A300 experience. The range is not a factor. AA used their MD-11's to Europe. They used them from DFW
47 N62NA : I was on AA 92/93 EWR-LHR great flight. My frist A300 experience. The range is not a factor. I was shocked when they started that flight, surprised i
48 Cedarjet : Tugmaster, thanks for the reminder, I forgot about the Scuds freeing up the SPs. After saying they never ever crossed the pond, I'm now remembering, t
49 Post contains images B752fanatic : American decided to bet their money in the late 80's into the A300-600R because of the range and the capacity it offered. Later they found out that th
50 Timz : No photos in the database of LH A300s at JFK/EWR/BOS-- can anyone find any LH A300 pics at any US airport?
51 Post contains links and images MAH4546 : >That doesn't make sense. The A300s seat more than the 767s, and just as many as the 777s.
52 TUGMASTER : Just some replies to questions asked, AirxLiban, BTW every AA LHR employee are glad the shit is back in the states...good for S.F.A. Tugmaster, could
53 Willo : PTV in coach?! I flew JFK-LHR in May 1998 and they had them then. I distinctly remember it because it was the first time I had seen one!
54 TUGMASTER : Cedarjet, get in touch via the profile if you can.....i have a few ideas up my sleeve... RGDS TUGMASTER
55 TUGMASTER : just a post to try and refresh the topic really....... rgds T
56 Post contains images AA61Hvy : Willo- you are right. I remember watching American Pie 1 like 3x's straight on the plane to LHR (it was unedited btw )
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