Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7951 times:
I recently flew into Los Angeles International (LAX) on Alaska Airlines (Terminal 3) and had to transfer to a Delta flight in Terminal 5. It was my first visit to LAX in about 10 years (I prefer Long Beach) and I was stunned to see how "un-modern" the facilities appear to be. It definitely looks like those two terminals are stuck in the 1980's/1990's! I can't think of another major mega-airport in the USA that appears this way. Does anyone have any idea if all LAX terminals are in the same condition? If so, are there any plans to upgrade the facilities?
(Original post edited to correct terminal numbers. My apologies for the error.)
UALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7898 times:
You have it mixed up, Alaska is T3 and Delta T5. I always thought Terminal 5 is pretty nice. Terminal 3 in addition to 6 are the most run-down terminals. The rest of the terminals, especially 4 and 7 are pretty nice. Plans are to replace terminals 1-3 and upgrade the International Terminal.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4244 posts, RR: 29 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7888 times:
I recently flew into LAX on Alaska Airlines (Terminal 5) and had to transfer to a Delta flight in Terminal 3
Flip those. T3 at LAX is a real eyesore, and for my money is the worst terminal at the the airport-its stuck in the 70s!! There are couple different masterplans for LAX. I'm not sure where they stand at the moment with the legislation needed to go through. Theres no question some terminals really aren't adequate anymore.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8748 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7851 times:
Terminal 3 in LAX is really horrible. It hasn't been modified at all since the TWA days. LAX is considering a major expansion that would level terminals 1-3, and replace them with a new modern terminal. It is a needed move as T1 and T3 are pretty crowded and bad.
T4, T5, and T7 are better. United's terminal 7 core is probably the nicest in the airport as a full remodel was done in the late 90s. Overall some remodelling does need to be done, since much of the airport hasn't been touched since the last major expansion in time for that 1984 LA Olympic games that brought about the Tom Bradley International terminal. The nicer terminals are the ones dominated by one of the large legacy US carriers that spent money to invest in their own facilities. The ones that see multiple carriers like TBIT, T1, T3 and T6 are pretty bad with T2 being somewhere in the middle.
As for other LA area airports, I like SNA and ONT. They both have nicer and relatively new terminals that don't seem too overcrowded. JFK is another airport that comes to mind when I think of airports that have drastically different terminals depending on airlines.
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UALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
>>There are couple different masterplans for LAX. I'm not sure where they stand at the moment with the legislation needed to go through. Theres no question some terminals really aren't adequate anymore.<<
The City Council approved the Master Plan two months ago, the FAA is currently reviewing and barring the multiple lawsuits succeeding, the airport should start construction later this year.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7741 times:
Some terminals are bad but some are nice. They will all eventually be fixed up but for now they are like that, we will have to wait until they start working. Terminal 4,5,7 and TBIT are nice but 1,2,3,6 could be updated. I think 1-3 should be updated into like a big nice one also like someone said above (not like one terminal just connect them and make them like new and modern). 6 can just be updated as time goes on.
JFK's terminals are different but none of them are bad anymore, 1 is nice (I've been there), 2 is kinda nice, 3 is nice, 4 very nice-it's new, 5-closed and is nice even though it is stick back in the 70s and 80s but the gate area will change by 2008, 6 is on its way-they have updated it alot but once T5 is theirs B6 can move ops over there for a little and do a big fix up-it has come a long way though, 7 -I think it really nice but I was only on the United said and check in areas and they were nice and modern, 8+9 are rebuilding so we will see.
Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7739 times:
I didn't find the Delta terminal as bad as the Alaska terminal but the Delta terminal didn't seem as modern as I would expect either. I am a very frequent flyer with Delta and I am used to nicer facilities. I realize that the airlines don't always control the look and feel of the facilities but I bet they have some input at LAX.
As for airports in Jamaica, of course they are not as big or as fancy as the mega-airports in the USA. We are a poor country with a GDP that is probably less than that of the city of Los Angeles. No reasonably smart individual would even consider comparing the two! Nonetheless, at least one of our airports (Sangster International Airport at Montego Bay) is actually one of the nicest in the Caribbean basin.
AirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7697 times:
I flew out of TBIT in 2000 for the first time. Was flying down to SYD on Qantas. I was not impressed with that terminal at all. It was bleak, dark and boring in the gate area. The ticket counter area had more sunlight. After you go through security, there was not much in shopping or food options. Same with the new SFO - international terminal, suprisingly. All the best places to shop and eat are outside of security. T-4 at LHR has the best 'beyond security' food and shopping options that I have experienced. I ended up spending over $100 on food and stuff before I boarded my BA flight back to SFO.
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Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4089 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
I flew out of T2 on Virgin a couple of years ago and it was shocking! One shop, one Café and some tacky restaurant (i can't remember, i think it may have been Burger King or MacDonalds, was a long time ago). Even for an airport it was boring being stuck there for 2 and a half hours waiting for our flight.
AirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
Architecturally, SFO's international terminal is spectacular. I have flown out of many airports in the US and it seems like most of the modern terminals are pleasant to fly out of. I think the main elements to a good terminal are: lots of big windows to allow natural light in, lots shopping,food and beverage options, large open-air gate areas, wide walkways and art. Open air terminals and gate areas provide a more comfortable experience. That is a contrast to what happens when you board the flight. Most coach cabins are cramped and stuffy.
I love flying out of Terminals B and C in PDX on the Alaska/WN side. It is a beautiful terminal with lots natural light, northwest influenced artwork, sculptures etc. The art is interactive. I have always loved the underground walkway in the UAL terminal at ORD with the psychedelic light show flashing above the moving sidewalk while Brian Eno type music loops through the speaker system. The new DEN allows for lots of natural light into the terminal and it definitely has a Rocky Mountain feel to the architecture. I flew into and out of SYD after the Olympics and had a pleasant experience there. SEA's new main terminal is coming along nicely. Lots of daylight in the A gate area. I can't wait for the new food court to open.
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Andahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7581 times:
The truth that LAX is a dump, and politics are preventing the remodeling/modernization of the facilities. Even the newly remodeled T4 (AA) is a disgrace: security always crowded, baggage claimed is nothing but a dungeon with low ceilings and crowded/slow baggage delivery, retail facilities are from the 70s,etc, etc.
One could only wish that politicians, like LA's mayor Mr. Hahn would make LAX into an autonomus organization rather than pretend they know airport logistics.
Amhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7312 times:
See, now when i fly VS out of LAX ( my preference to SFO because i just cannot tolerate those people begging for my attention in the ticketing area!) I check in and then hightail it over to TBIT to go sit and watch the pretty pretty planes I _like_ the TBIT, though admittedly ive never been to any gate in that terminal. But it sure as hell beats waiting in T1-T3- those grim roundabout thingys with the brown carpeting and never enough chairs, and dont even get me STARTED on the bathroom facilities where VS leaves from (is that T1 or 2?). Those are dead nasty, and you are right, whoever posted it, there is one shop and a burger king and thats it. I hang out at TBIT or walk for as long as I can before I have to be at that gate.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7269 times:
"What exactly makes the TBIT so awful?"
Have you ever flown from Narita or Frankfurt and arrived at LAX through TBIT?
After being through such modern facilities and having arrived at TBit terminal you will think that you have arrived at some third world country. The workers, dirty floors, creaky escalators, ugly floors.
I really think that Lax is not impressive but I don't care about the domestic terminlas, they should at least improve the int terminal because that is the gateway and first impression of LA to foreign visitors. The one good thing about LAX is that it is very easy to navigate and its an efficient airport for passengers.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2041 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
I love to sit at the food court at the TBIT and watch all of the aircraft criss-cross right in front of me. It's also a great place to sit and watch the departures to the west but even greater when the aircraft are landing/departing to the east.