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Los Angeles Airport (LAX) - What A Dump!  
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

Hi,

I recently flew into Los Angeles International (LAX) on Alaska Airlines (Terminal 3) and had to transfer to a Delta flight in Terminal 5. It was my first visit to LAX in about 10 years (I prefer Long Beach) and I was stunned to see how "un-modern" the facilities appear to be. It definitely looks like those two terminals are stuck in the 1980's/1990's! I can't think of another major mega-airport in the USA that appears this way. Does anyone have any idea if all LAX terminals are in the same condition? If so, are there any plans to upgrade the facilities?

Reggaebird

(Original post edited to correct terminal numbers. My apologies for the error.)

[Edited 2005-02-13 00:52:51]

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User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

You have it mixed up, Alaska is T3 and Delta T5. I always thought Terminal 5 is pretty nice. Terminal 3 in addition to 6 are the most run-down terminals. The rest of the terminals, especially 4 and 7 are pretty nice. Plans are to replace terminals 1-3 and upgrade the International Terminal.

UALAX


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

I think the DL concourse is actually quite nice. What didn't you like about it and how does it compare to airports in Jamaica?

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9079 times:

I recently flew into LAX on Alaska Airlines (Terminal 5) and had to transfer to a Delta flight in Terminal 3

Flip those. T3 at LAX is a real eyesore, and for my money is the worst terminal at the the airport-its stuck in the 70s!! There are couple different masterplans for LAX. I'm not sure where they stand at the moment with the legislation needed to go through. Theres no question some terminals really aren't adequate anymore.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9059 times:

I agree w/ UALAX and DL Widget Head, T5 where Delta operates is very nice. I have mostly flown in that terminal, but also have flown NW into LAX into T2 and it left more to be desired.


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User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

It definitely looks like those two terminals are stuck in the 1980's/1990's!

I don't know how they do thing in Jamaica, but where I come from, we don't renovate our terminals every ten years. Terminals stuck in the 1990s aren't all that bad, you know...


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Terminal 3 in LAX is really horrible. It hasn't been modified at all since the TWA days. LAX is considering a major expansion that would level terminals 1-3, and replace them with a new modern terminal. It is a needed move as T1 and T3 are pretty crowded and bad.

T4, T5, and T7 are better. United's terminal 7 core is probably the nicest in the airport as a full remodel was done in the late 90s. Overall some remodelling does need to be done, since much of the airport hasn't been touched since the last major expansion in time for that 1984 LA Olympic games that brought about the Tom Bradley International terminal. The nicer terminals are the ones dominated by one of the large legacy US carriers that spent money to invest in their own facilities. The ones that see multiple carriers like TBIT, T1, T3 and T6 are pretty bad with T2 being somewhere in the middle.

As for other LA area airports, I like SNA and ONT. They both have nicer and relatively new terminals that don't seem too overcrowded. JFK is another airport that comes to mind when I think of airports that have drastically different terminals depending on airlines.



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User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

>>There are couple different masterplans for LAX. I'm not sure where they stand at the moment with the legislation needed to go through. Theres no question some terminals really aren't adequate anymore.<<

The City Council approved the Master Plan two months ago, the FAA is currently reviewing and barring the multiple lawsuits succeeding, the airport should start construction later this year.

Regards.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

RoseFlyer:

I agree w/ you that ONT and SNA are nice as well. I thought the rest of LAX was similar to T5 (DL), and as you point out that is not the case.

The LAWA, in my opinion, is a well-run airport authority and I have always enjoyed flying to Southern California as those airports I have always had good experiences.

Welcome to my Respected Users list by the way, RoseFlyer.



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User currently offlineASTROJET707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

What exactly makes the TBIT so awful?

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

well, I agree that LAX isn't the greatest, but the DL concourse is pretty decent and I can't think of anywhere at LAX that is superior to your preferred Lawwwng Beach!


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Some terminals are bad but some are nice. They will all eventually be fixed up but for now they are like that, we will have to wait until they start working. Terminal 4,5,7 and TBIT are nice but 1,2,3,6 could be updated. I think 1-3 should be updated into like a big nice one also like someone said above (not like one terminal just connect them and make them like new and modern). 6 can just be updated as time goes on.

JFK's terminals are different but none of them are bad anymore, 1 is nice (I've been there), 2 is kinda nice, 3 is nice, 4 very nice-it's new, 5-closed and is nice even though it is stick back in the 70s and 80s but the gate area will change by 2008, 6 is on its way-they have updated it alot but once T5 is theirs B6 can move ops over there for a little and do a big fix up-it has come a long way though, 7 -I think it really nice but I was only on the United said and check in areas and they were nice and modern, 8+9 are rebuilding so we will see.

jetBlueAtJFK



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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

DL Widgethead,

I didn't find the Delta terminal as bad as the Alaska terminal but the Delta terminal didn't seem as modern as I would expect either. I am a very frequent flyer with Delta and I am used to nicer facilities. I realize that the airlines don't always control the look and feel of the facilities but I bet they have some input at LAX.

As for airports in Jamaica, of course they are not as big or as fancy as the mega-airports in the USA. We are a poor country with a GDP that is probably less than that of the city of Los Angeles. No reasonably smart individual would even consider comparing the two! Nonetheless, at least one of our airports (Sangster International Airport at Montego Bay) is actually one of the nicest in the Caribbean basin.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

I flew out of TBIT in 2000 for the first time. Was flying down to SYD on Qantas. I was not impressed with that terminal at all. It was bleak, dark and boring in the gate area. The ticket counter area had more sunlight. After you go through security, there was not much in shopping or food options. Same with the new SFO - international terminal, suprisingly. All the best places to shop and eat are outside of security. T-4 at LHR has the best 'beyond security' food and shopping options that I have experienced. I ended up spending over $100 on food and stuff before I boarded my BA flight back to SFO.


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

I flew out of T2 on Virgin a couple of years ago and it was shocking! One shop, one Café and some tacky restaurant (i can't remember, i think it may have been Burger King or MacDonalds, was a long time ago). Even for an airport it was boring being stuck there for 2 and a half hours waiting for our flight.

-Stephen


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8882 times:


I would take SFO over LAX anyday!!! Frankly, ATL and ORD beat both of them in my opinion. Additionally, the new terminal at DTW is pretty spectacular. It even has a train that runs in the ceiling!

Reggaebird


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

What didn't you like about it and how does it compare to airports in Jamaica?

What does Jamaica have to do with anything? Just because this person is from Jamaica has zero to do with airport facilities and the thread.



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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

I agree that LAX needs renovation. It has been widely discussed on this forum before. In my opinion, T5 is probably one of the nicer terminals in LAX.

User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Architecturally, SFO's international terminal is spectacular. I have flown out of many airports in the US and it seems like most of the modern terminals are pleasant to fly out of. I think the main elements to a good terminal are: lots of big windows to allow natural light in, lots shopping,food and beverage options, large open-air gate areas, wide walkways and art. Open air terminals and gate areas provide a more comfortable experience. That is a contrast to what happens when you board the flight. Most coach cabins are cramped and stuffy.

I love flying out of Terminals B and C in PDX on the Alaska/WN side. It is a beautiful terminal with lots natural light, northwest influenced artwork, sculptures etc. The art is interactive. I have always loved the underground walkway in the UAL terminal at ORD with the psychedelic light show flashing above the moving sidewalk while Brian Eno type music loops through the speaker system. The new DEN allows for lots of natural light into the terminal and it definitely has a Rocky Mountain feel to the architecture. I flew into and out of SYD after the Olympics and had a pleasant experience there. SEA's new main terminal is coming along nicely. Lots of daylight in the A gate area. I can't wait for the new food court to open.



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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

The truth that LAX is a dump, and politics are preventing the remodeling/modernization of the facilities. Even the newly remodeled T4 (AA) is a disgrace: security always crowded, baggage claimed is nothing but a dungeon with low ceilings and crowded/slow baggage delivery, retail facilities are from the 70s,etc, etc.

One could only wish that politicians, like LA's mayor Mr. Hahn would make LAX into an autonomus organization rather than pretend they know airport logistics.

L.A. need better/more modern facilities


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

LAX is NOT a dump.

--- however ---

LAX is very OLD airport!








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User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8503 times:


See, now when i fly VS out of LAX ( my preference to SFO because i just cannot tolerate those people begging for my attention in the ticketing area!) I check in and then hightail it over to TBIT to go sit and watch the pretty pretty planes  Smile I _like_ the TBIT, though admittedly ive never been to any gate in that terminal. But it sure as hell beats waiting in T1-T3- those grim roundabout thingys with the brown carpeting and never enough chairs, and dont even get me STARTED on the bathroom facilities where VS leaves from (is that T1 or 2?). Those are dead nasty, and you are right, whoever posted it, there is one shop and a burger king and thats it. I hang out at TBIT or walk for as long as I can before I have to be at that gate.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

"What exactly makes the TBIT so awful?"

Have you ever flown from Narita or Frankfurt and arrived at LAX through TBIT?
After being through such modern facilities and having arrived at TBit terminal you will think that you have arrived at some third world country. The workers, dirty floors, creaky escalators, ugly floors.

I really think that Lax is not impressive but I don't care about the domestic terminlas, they should at least improve the int terminal because that is the gateway and first impression of LA to foreign visitors. The one good thing about LAX is that it is very easy to navigate and its an efficient airport for passengers.




User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

I love to sit at the food court at the TBIT and watch all of the aircraft criss-cross right in front of me. It's also a great place to sit and watch the departures to the west but even greater when the aircraft are landing/departing to the east.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8374 times:
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I remember a few years ago being in one of the terminals in PHX when I was waiting for a WN flight and it seemed like the terminal was stuck in the 70's! Anyone know about this?


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25 Ilsapproach : Flew MBJ-MSP today (2-12)....................finally expanding the terminal....new addition looks pretty nice, compared to the rest of airport, which
26 N1120A : >Plans are to replace terminals 1-3 and upgrade the International Terminal.< You mean completely screw up the airport and surrounding traffic? >I reme
27 Dacman : One suggestion Raggaebird.................if you don't like LAX don't fly here!!!!!!!! LAX is not a dump!!!!!!!!!!! Mike lgbguy (LAX Local)
28 N1120A : Here here Dacman. LAX is as non-dump as it gets. If you want delays, go to your "modern" places like ORD, ATL or IAH and leave LAX to us who want effi
29 Zrs70 : I, for one, LOVE T3! The nostlagia of TWA. The underground corridor. The vintage architecture. It is one of the few terminals in the US that still evo
30 QANTAS077 : what makes TBIT so bad? have you ever departed from TBIT? it's an absolute shithole! not a bloody shop anywhere past security, it's like time stood st
31 Post contains images Lincoln : Ooooh... Now I'm going to have to find a way to fly in/out/through LAX T3... Unless there's some other way to see the architecture I walked through th
32 GuyBetsy1 : International arrivals into ANY US airport is a horrible experience. Barren hallways, glaring flourescent lights, loud annoucements telling people tha
33 N751PR : I dunno T3 seems to be fine.......if you're into nostalgia...
34 Matheus : I was at LAX in 2003 and I tought that was pretty bad for the pax view.. The good point is the TBIT's arrival area,it is large, have a good number of
35 TBCITDG : LAX is by far one of the ugliest airports that I have ever been to. I hope that I do not offend any one but for the richest country in the world to ha
36 Ktachiya : Wow....... Well, I agree and disagree with some people. I flew to LAX in 2001 August from NRT on TG. I remember the arrival place being the shittiest
37 Speedbird2155 : I don't get the need for people to constantly bash various airports (and airlines) on here. Not all airports/terminals were built in the last 10 or ev
38 Reggaebird : Dacman, Regarding your comment: One suggestion Raggaebird.................if you don't like LAX don't fly here!!!!!!!! Believe me, I do try to avoid L
39 Post contains links and images Dtwclipper : Reggaebird! Additionally, the new terminal at DTW is pretty spectacular. It even has a train that runs in the ceiling! Really, runs in the cieling, I
40 Sllevin : I think in some cases the airlines control or have significant leases on the terminals. I know that AA controlled and paid for the renovation of T4. S
41 Post contains images Reggaebird : DTWClipper, I am not sure I understand your point. Are you trying to say that the train does not run in the ceiling area? If that's the case, would yo
42 UALAX : Well before everyone continues to bash TBIT, the airport plans a 200 million+ renovation of the terminal starting this year. I for one think the depar
43 United_fan : I flew into terminal 6 with UA in July,and it's way nicer than terminal 7 that I flew out of. The carpet was filthy and the ceiling had some 70's moo
44 VS045 : I've only ever flown out of LAX T2, but even it has nothing in the way of shopping- one Burger King, one Starbucks, one LA souvenier shop, and two or
45 Post contains images GuitrThree : You would have thought Heather Locklear would have fixed the place up before being fired!
46 Airlinerfreak : T1- ok to travel through, you usually don't have time to check after that security line T2- One of the two terminals in dire need of a renovation. It
47 PHXinterrupted : How hilarious, some clown from Jamaica calling LAX a dump. For those of you who have not been to Jamaica, it's one of the most dangerous countries in
48 Zrs70 : Why can't someone from Jamaica call a US airport a dump? I am from the US, and yet I can still criticize food in france if the restaurant is poor.
49 Flashmeister : I flew through LAX T4 and T3 right after Christmastime last year, and I gotta say that even though T4 was renovated, it's still a dump. Yeah, the fixt
50 2cn : "T5-Knock it down and start over again, this is by far the worst terminal at the airport" How is T5 the worse terminal at the airport? Have you actual
51 Avek00 : While LAX does not have the most glamorous facilities, it is far from being a "dump" - it's a highly utilitarian airport, with no two airlines more th
52 Ken777 : I've been flying in and out of LAX since I was in the Navy in the mid 60's and it was not new then. Unlike a lot of airports that have a huge amount o
53 SWISSER : IAD? I think that was one of my best experiences on a US airport I ever had! Even operating with an aircraft there is a piece of cake! Anyway I love l
54 Malaysia : "LA International Airport The great Pacific’s welcome door LA International Airport I’ll be coming back for more" oh Beautiful Los Angeles Interna
55 UCLAX : I also like T3 -- excellent example of airport architecture of its era and still demonstrates a lot of the innovations of LAX's original design. It's
56 Post contains images DAirbus : I have only been to LAX a couple of times most recently about a month ago. It is far from being a dump but I agree that some of the terminals are in d
57 767er : I have to say LAX is a dump –reminds me of a Greyhound Bus Station. However I love the Theme Building – very retro 1960s. I usually fly in and out
58 ASTROJET707 : I flew on QF, LAX-SYD-LAX last April so I departed and arrived at T4. This December, I am flying LAX-LHR-LAX on VS and the comments about T2 make it s
59 Post contains images Lincoln : DAirbus -- I agree with your comments about checkin being extremely close to the front doors in all of the terminals (at least 1-4 and to a much less
60 Gasman : I have to say LAX is a dump –reminds me of a Greyhound Bus Station. However I love the Theme Building – very retro 1960s. I usually fly in and out
61 767ER : Gasman, I would rate LAX along with LHR as pretty much the worst major airports in the developed world that I have flown in/out of. I guess one of LAX
62 N1120A : >I thought TBI was in bad shape, little did I know that things get worse elsewhere. Such an old and depressing terminal.< It is actually the newest te
63 Mdsh00 : If you want a REAL example of a dump, try IAD... That and BOS Logan. Maybe it was the terminal I was at but the United terminal was very uninspiring t
64 Airlinerfreak : JFK isn'y much better guys. But just wait 10 years you will all be talking about how good LAX is
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