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Pan Am 737-200's?  
User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

I was flipping threw channels on TV today and happened to catch , on a fairly old movie, a Pan Am 737-200 on final approach somewhere. Im just curious how many did Pan Am have, and what is the deal with Pan Am ops currently? Are they down to just charter flights?



regards,


Brad


Booooo Lois, Yaaaa Beer!!!
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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

The original Pan Am had 732s in the 1980s-- but neither of the later "Pan Am"s did, did they?

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

We had a handful of them............most of which were used on the IGS services out of Berlin. When that was sold to Lufthansa, they were brought back to the states for a year or so and mainly used on Caribbean routes out of Miami before they were finally retired. I can remember the ones we got from Air Florida with the green/blue interiors......quite a change from "Pan Am blue."


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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6032 times:
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PanAm (II) had B737-400s for a short time before their shutdown. They were inherited when they merged with Carnival Airlines.

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CROSSWIND


User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Thanks for the posts and the info. Personally, I would like to see Pan Am of old come back and regain the top dog status it used to have. Still love seeing those 72's down in Sanford,FL. Even have had a few come in here in TYS.




Brad



Booooo Lois, Yaaaa Beer!!!
User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

In all there were 16 B732s in operation for Pan Am. Indeed they were used on the IGS and intra-european routes. Hence most of them had a German name related to Berlin such as "Clipper Tempelhof" or "ClipperNeukölln" as you can see below.


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Here is a list of them:
N383PA "Clipper Steglitz"
N385PA "Clipper Berlin"
N4902W "Clipper Wilmersdorf"
N382PA "Clipper Kreuzberg"
N63AF "Clipper Schöneberg"
N64AF "Clipper Spandau"
N67AF "Clipper Tempelhof"
N68AF "Clipper Zehlendorf"
N69AF "Clipper Charlottenburg"
N380PA "Clipper Neukölln"
N381PA "Clipper Wedding"
N387PA "Clipper Tiergarten"
N388PA "Clipper Reinickendorf"
N389PA "Clipper Frankfurt"
N70723 "Clipper Luftikus"
N70724 "Clipper Spreeathen"

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy PA



Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

aaah I love Pan Am(1) Threads  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I nonreved as a kid on some of the -200s when they were stateside, around 1988 mainly LAX-SFO and return, it was a rare treat...I belive the IGS was using A300s at that point already, maybe some of the Pan Am guys can correct me.

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Hey guys, pardon my ignorance but what does IGS stand for?


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

Intra German Services

User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

IGS = Internal German Service
Since no German airlines were allowed to fly to Berlin, only US, UK and French carriers, PA flew there from many German cities.

 Smile PA



Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Ahh thanks there SATL382G


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

... and don't forget US, UK, and French airlines flew to West Berlin. Naturally Aeroflot went to East Berlin....

User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

I was fortunate to travel on just about every example in Pan Am's fleet from 1980 to the end. I remember several trips on the 737-200. One being LAX-SAN and the others being MIA-TPA-MIA. Towards the end, they were routed around the southeast in and out of MIA to markets like TPA, MCO, IAH, MSY, and ATL.

JP


User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

We couldn't fly these a/c into the Caribbean because they had no life rafts. In fact, on the MIA/IAH/MIA runs, the crews had to run at the "Barber pole" to try and ensure that we maintained schedule. We would have to fly up the west coast of FL and then turn left at TLH . Notice the "AF" N numbers on several of these a/c. Old Ed Acker still was making a killing off of Pan Am long after he was gone.

As Groundstop stated, he flew on virtually all of the equipment types we had, but only got airsick on the 737. Still chalk it up to the "grilled cheese sandwich" Grandma served for lunch.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineRHSNYC From United States of America, joined May 2004, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

I worked as a Pan Am flight attendant based in LHR in the 80's. We operated the 737's intra-Europe. As I remember, we had ex PSA and Wein Air Alaska aircraft there. The ex Air Florida 37's state-side were pretty nasty, ugly and most certainly SMELLY inside (lav odor)! I remember flying a couple months in a row on the 737 doing LHR to AMS and several other cities just to get a break from the full, long-haul 747 trips. Has lots of fun!!!

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5835 times:

At the very end the 737's were flying mia-nas, mia-fpo, mia-tpa, mia-mco, mia-atl-iad, sfo-lax, lax-san, and for a short time bos-jfk.


As far as the IGS, after the 737's were brought home, the trips were flown with the 727 and A310.




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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

They are not down just to charter operations, they fly scheduled flights.

See it yourself:http://www.flypanam.com

Mike.



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offline252MKR From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

I could not even begin to imagine how fun it would have been to be a gringo and work the IGS routes. I bet it made the "Catch Me if You Can" glamour look tame!


"...If I'm here, and you're here--doesn't that make it our time?" Jeff Spicoli
User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

Pan Am hired flight attendants specifically for the IGS. They were German nationals that flew only the IGS services. They were, for the most part, a senior bunch of women that we as Pan Am flight attendants, never really saw. We did have pilots based there however.....and would embellish stories of these women being typically "Helga" like!


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

I know they were run to Hobby airport alongside 72S in the final days of Pan Am.


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User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Well, in the database there are pics of it at MIA, SAN and locations accross Europe such as NUE, FRA, TXL, ZRH, PMI, LHR, AMS, FAO, MXP, HAM and SZG.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

PA pulled the 732s out of Berlin long before LH took over the IGS. In the end, PA was operating 722s, A310 and A300s out of Berlin.

And not all the IGS's FAs were German, they had some U.S. ones, too, that simply liked Berlin or had family there (remember, PA pilots based in Berlin, many GIs, etc.).



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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

transisland...........


as a PAA flight attendant,I really do not remember U.S. flight attendants based in Berlin. When I was hired in 1985 it was not an option to be based there. Perhaps they were not all German but they were Europeen. The flight attendant based in Berlin were not on our seniority list.....therefore could not fly with those on the IUFA seniority list.......and only flew.....as a rule......on the IGS routes..........except for a few europeen charters. Pilots, as mentioned earlier, were not subject to our union rules and flew with them with regularity.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Tu154 - My mother worked as an FA for the IGS. Naturally, I met a number of her colleagues. They were not all German or European, there were some (few) U.S. as well.


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User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

We also had a Warsaw FA base they worked some of the IGS routes and a number of the FRA beyond routes like ATH, IST, ANK and more

25 L1011Lover : I´m a Lufthansa F/A and all of the 300 TXL based PA F/A´s transferred from PA to LH after they took over the Berlin operations. Every once in a whil
26 L1011Lover : Tu154: Do you remember by a lucky chance how big the LHR base was? I was always wondering. How many F/A´s were based there? I guess this was one of t
27 Post contains images L1011Lover : Okay, one more question for you Tu154: Do you remember where the F/A´s working the FRA-NBO-FRA run were based? US based crews, or LHR base, or maybe
28 Tu154 : L1011lover: I don't have numbers for the LHR base. Have a friend that was based there so I'll get the info for your question about the base numbers. P
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