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BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?  
User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Why did the BAe ATP not sell well? I know it faced competition from the ATR 72, but why did it loose out?

I remember them flying for Manx Airlines from the Isle of Man, they were the mainstay of their fleet for a while.

However it has recently begun to find a niche market as a freighter.

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

I was talking to a pilot for Midwest Airlines who used to fly for AWAC. When he flew the ATPs, he said, an engine would frequently shut off spontaneously when landing. He told the pax that this was normal so they didn't freak out. The plane is a piece of crap, horribly unreliable, and ugly as hell.  Big grin

User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Still a lot better looking than a 762 though, eh Friendly Skies?

Regards,

Chris


User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Talking about it being unreliable, I now remember people talking about it being prone to landing gear faults. I remember one landing at Manchester, with one main gear that would't extent.

Also there was an incident on the Isle of Man when the nose wheel of one collapsed after landing, although I believe this was partly pilot error? (I may be wrong on that,so don't quote me)

I'd forgotten about those incidents!


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Still a lot better looking than a 762 though, eh Friendly Skies?

Ha ha ha, I don't think so.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5263 times:
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Those ATPs seemed incredibly slow whenever I saw them on climbout.


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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Are you sure?

I am being serious, I prefer the BAE ATP to the 762..


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I'm not a fan of the 762 anyway..

Regards,

Chris


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4104 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

I'm sorry, but the 762 is cute, the ATP is just well, it has the ugliest nose in aviation, yuck!

The planes performance couldn't match that of the competitor, and it is prone to breaking down all the time,

Sam



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

"the ATP is just well, it has the ugliest nose in aviation,"

Have you seen the A380?



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Maverick, I was just going to say the same.  Nuts

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Have you heard 'Advance Turboprop Problem'?!
Good for cargo though

Kev



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5205 times:
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Have you seen the A380?


Funny...that's exactly what I was thinking...

 Smile


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User currently offlineSaxon From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

The ATPs were mad little props. No wonder BA got shut of them. And I think the 762 in the original proper BY scheme is another reason to like it!


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Hell, I was going to say the same about the A380 being ugly as hell  Big grin


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

>>>Also there was an incident on the Isle of Man when the nose wheel of one collapsed after landing, although I believe this was partly pilot error? (I may be wrong on that,so don't quote me)

You´re right:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19901223-0

Daniel


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

There were signif reliability issues with the PW engines when first introduced. Also, the fact that the ATP was not built as a family of turbo-props reduced its marketability.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

wan't it just a revamped, stretched HS 748?


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7928 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

I think besides the fact that the BAe ATP were not paragons of reliability the plane didn't do well in terms of sales compared to the ATR42/72 series and the Saab 340/2000 series. And who wants to buy a new ATP today (if the plane had stayed in production) in when Bombardier CRJ and Embraer ERJ regional jets have taken over nearly all the regional market? Even the Bombardier Dash8-Q400 is a far better plane than the ATP.

[Edited 2005-02-14 01:26:02]

User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

It was a poor replacement for the HS748 which arrived too late onto the market

User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 5026 times:

My dead rhinoceros can run faster than the ATP can fly.

User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

The ATP is a reliable, functional aircraft. It is not prone to "engine faults" or "undercarriage problems" any more than any other aircraft.

The one's used by Manx and BRAL flew thousands of hours trouble free. They did have their quirks and no aircraft is completely reliable, but the ATP is no worse or better than any other.

As for comparing it to a Boeing 767 - you are now showing how completely off your rocker you are. Two different aircraft, for different functions and used in entirely different ways. And lets face it - looks are a personal preference - I mean, some people even like the look of the A.380!

However, before you start to slang off a thoroughly decent aircraft, I would try getting some reliable, accurate information on it. It may not be the fastest, smoothest and quietest aircraft flying, but it works and is certainly a damn sight tougher than many of the plastic machines on the market these days.

I know, I worked on the bloody things and handled the maintenance planning for them.

Cheers

Andy



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

I am sorry but I am not off my "rocker".. I was simply making the point that I believe the BAE ATP to be a more attractive aircraft in my own opinion. I find the 762 quite ugly, quite squashed and not as sleek as the 763, 764 and Airbus counterparts.

Regards,

Chris


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

I didnt mean you Chris, I was referring to the rest of the crowd! You, at least have taste!

Cheers and good luck in your GCSE's

Andy



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8426 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4646 times:
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Well i've had 7 ATP flights and all were fine, however i'm sure the D83 is quieter - from a pax point of view.


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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

I have had 35 flights in ATP's and 14 in various D8's. The Q8 is marginally quieter but they are both about on a par for "comfort" such as it is.

However, the Q400 is much nicer than the ATP, but of course, much newer.

Just can't beat the "Bomber" though. Good, solid British engineering. Some might say, built like a brick ****house Big grin.

Keep travelling

Andy



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25 Planespotterx : My first ever flight was in a ATP from MAN-Isle of Man, I have to admit being only 12 at the time I dont remember much but now nearly 21 I feel I was
26 Gg190 : I've just looked at one of my aviation books, and the ATP uses the same engine as the ATR 72, Pratt & Whitney PW124. So if the ATP's engine's have pro
27 Post contains links and images Bwaflyer : We used to have several at British World, and nicknamed them 'Another Technical Problem'. Noisy cramped, and with the most useless poky galleys. Don't
28 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Well, I must be glad to be alive then, flying ATP's four times over (a short stretch of) the middle of the Atlantic. I quite liked them! Air Açores m
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