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VS Flights To Sydney  
User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

It has been two months since VS launched its flight to SYD. Does anyone know whether it has been popular with Aussies, Hong Kong people and people from the UK? What has the loads been like so far.

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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

The info I have is that loads between SYD-LHR are light because the flights are heavilly booked between HKG-LHR.

This also explains why those of us in Oz haven't seen much marketing of the new product (apart from three or four giant billboards directly opposite the Qantas Jet Base at Sydney Airport...typically Branson in-yer-face exercise) in this market.

They just don't have enough through capacity to sell. They know that if they start discounting the floor out of the SYD-HKG market they'll get whacked because QF and CX have so much capacity.

So VS has its foot in the door. No doubt as soon as it can get more traffic rights, or larger capacity jets, it will try and kick the door off its hinges. Time will tell.

Antares


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Surely they can use their Aussie domestic airline for through-service to MEL, ADL, CBR, OOL, BNE etc etc? And SYD-HKG is a pretty busy route, I'm surprised they can't pick up a full load on the entire service.


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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

It will take at least 6-12 months for the route to take off.

Alot of the traffic at this time of year between the UK and OZ is people that are taking a month or two off work to go travel/vist friends and relatives.
Most of these people are not last minute bookers so will have booked months in advance.

As there was a bit of uncertainty as to whether the route would start or not and also the limited marketing that has been done to promote the route, then alot of people will have booked with the other carriers that have been operating to OZ for years.

Wait and see how it's doing this time next year when the route will be more established and will have more of a chance of attracting those advance bookings.

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

If the route does take off, will it still be operated by A346s or will they put a 744 on the route?

It would appear as though a 744 will be dedicated to MAN service (apparently a few will be rotating through) and so this will leave the 744s in short demand so I suppose that if I had to guess I'd say that the 346s will be the plane for that route but I don't know for sure so I thought I'd ask.



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

They keep saying that they will put a B744 on the route, but personally I don't think it will happen. The A346 can haul a hell of a lot more cargo than the B744 and it is also much more fuel efficient too and it only carrys about 70 less passengers than a B744 which when you think that they are mainly economy, then it isn't a huge loss of revenue and cargo (usually) pays more too.

I think they will stick with the A346 until the A388 comes along.

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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

QF and CX kill it for frequency, which leaves VS in trouble.

KA doesn't stand a chance unless they offer bargain basement fares. 3 times a week won't get anyone except people only willing to pay $450 + $150 in taxes. And with no FF scheme, I don't see KA lasting too long without a decent product.

VS will match, an airfare war will be to their advantage actually. If they eventually go A380, the fares will be much lower, will be interesting to see what QF and CX do in response, but that's at least 18 months away.



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Coachman, don't you think that QF also is flying SYD-LON with their 380?

And isn't it more interresting to fill the planes for the longer route (Australia - GB instead of HKG - GB). Ok, maybe the yield is higher for HKG-GB but if yield is too low for agressive marketing in Australia, why does VS offer the flights to Australia then?



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

why does VS offer the flights to Australia then?

Branson's ego got the better of him and he had to take on QF and BA who are the biggest players on the UK-AU route. That and QF had been pushing for rights from HKG to LHR for years and Branson reckoned he could get the rights for HKG-SYD allowing him to fly SYD-HKG-LHR which QF had wanted to do for years.

The funny thing is, last I heard VS still didn't have the rights and were operating as a charter or under the new HK-UK agreement with special permission as it has yet to be approved.

VS just aren't in a position to compete as they don't provide the capacity that CX and QF do. And for those wanting to continue onto LHR, well better luck with the MH codeshare.


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Ok, cool Bill. But Branson's ego can't be enough to have a no profitable route. Just to make other companies angry is no good company strategy.




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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Virgin tend to operate in markets that are either very high yield and under served, or on popular routes to popular destinations where they can offer a better product (depending on opinion) for less compared to the airlines they are up against.

What Bill said about Branson's ego is rubbish. VS have been trying to get onto the UK-OZ route almost since day 1, and as No.12 said starting a route pruely based on an ego trip is a stupid way to run a business and VS would not have been around for as long if it was run that way. Since day 1 VS have always taken on the big boys on a majority of their routes, and the UK-OZ route is no different.

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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2259 times:

dont forget that Virgin Holidays will also soon start marketing holidays through VS down-under - this will increase loads esp in Y class.

The FF tie up with DJ also starts in a few months - will be interesting to see the detail on this.


User currently offlineOhlbu From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Why doesn´t VS open more frequencies on LHR-HKG route, are they restricted by some bilateral agreement between the UK and HKG?

User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

they could launch new frequencies anytime, indeed before 9/11 they planned to do just that IIRC.

However, at the moment they do not have enough planes to do this.

I wouldn't be suprised to see a second HKG frequency linked to an onward service to MEL.

But I doubt this would be for some time....


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

I don't know whether QF will have enough 380's to do SYD-LHR via HKG. They'll start on SYD-SIN-HKG, then SYD/MEL-LAX, then MEL-SIN-HKG, there's not many spare aircraft...


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User currently offlinePER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

I thought the A380's were scheduled to do LAX before any LHR flights?

User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26415 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

>They keep saying that they will put a B744 on the route, but personally I don't think it will happen. The A346 can haul a hell of a lot more cargo than the B744 and it is also much more fuel efficient too and it only carrys about 70 less passengers than a B744 which when you think that they are mainly economy, then it isn't a huge loss of revenue and cargo (usually) pays more too.<

The 744 does have the lower seat-mile, meaning it is potentially more profitable. Also, it is still their flagship so having it on this route would show something about the prestige



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