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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9150 times:

with the recent post on PAA............good or bad.............tell me your reflection on Pan Am. As a PAA flight attendant i could go on forever about a great company to fly for. It is true..........however.............the day after we shut down, there was an IUFA (flight attendant union) meeting. It was said that "you will go on to fly with United, American, or another carrier........but you will always be Pan Am!"............which is true to this day. I fly for UAL.......but am still fiercly proud of PAA! They instilled a pride in us during training that no other airline could match today...and ever will. Please share your good thoughts about an airline that was...........everything.


FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9111 times:

During Pan Am's time(I was in 6th grade when they went out of business), were there any labor/management problems that you constantly hear around the business, like there always seems to be with AA or UA? Or was it usually pretty good relations?

And if my memory serves me correctly, it seemed that the shutdown of both EA and PA were overnight and instantaneous. Within the PAA employee world, was there any indication or worry that the shutdown would be soon? I know that they had been in trouble for a while, but did anyone really think, "Tomorrow might be the last day?"

Also, does anyone know if any more former PAA 747's are still flying, or have they all met their fate in the boneyard?


The Great Clippers may belong to history, but they will always fly in our hearts!


Otto


User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

We really had no idea that SHUT-DOWN was imminent. As is public knowledge...we Were waiting for Delta to come thru with exit financing for PAA to emerge from ch. 11. This is in no way a cut on Delta.......Pan Ams troubles were around long before Delta was ever in the picture. We could go on forever about what really killed PAA.......management...........money..........National..........government..........deregulation................on and on. Truth is...................we really thought we would be saved and the gov't would never let us go out of business! Please don't turn this into a thread about Delta and Pan Am.........those of us that worked at PAA have our own opinions.............so let's just keep this on a memory level............what made us smile and thank god we were all PAN AM!!!


FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

oh, BTW.....the only thing i know about the PAA 747's were they went to fly with AEROPOSTA right after the shut-down............besides that..........i think they were all turned into freighters or put out to be scrapped. I know the A310's went to Delta............A300's to Carnival and other carriers......the 727's to charters and latin american carriers.........besides that.......I think they are all gone............ Sad


FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

I was in like 1st or 2nd grade when PAA failed so I have no first hand knowledge, however re: the exit financing from what I've read Delta had planned the exit financing and when DL announced "no money for you" PAA ceased ops very shortly thereafter.

Many of the unions -- including the one for the FAs sued Delta after that and...well, since this isn't what this thread is about... Though I have wondered why DL would have provided financing to PAA?

It's funny. I've never personally flown any of the Pan Ams, let alone the REAL one, but I have a deep respect for that airline with some feelings attached (I don't know why) that I can't attach to any contemporary airline. Maybe it's just the idealism.

BTW -- This may be a good place to ask: While browsing iTunes, I came across "PAN AM - The Sound of the '70s" (complete with PAA logo on the cover art). Most of the tracks have aviation-related names, and one of them is "Theme from Take-Off (Magic Sunset)"... Does/did this have anything to do with PAA or...?

Lincoln



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9057 times:

I will say this.

I was only 12 on 12/4/91, but I remember the profound affect it had on me.
Probably twice a week, every week, I used to go out to the airport after school with my grandparents. My first stop was always the same: the Pan Am ticket counter, to say hello/pick up new schedules/brochures (whatever was available), and then a stroll down to gate B7 to watch a B727 load for MIA or DFW or wherever. It was a ritual. Just seeing the Pan Am logo behind the counter sent shivers down my spine. I knew the employees were probably saying "what's wrong with that kid?". Did I care? Nah. I was infatuated with all things Pan Am. To be certain, I still am to this day.

A Pan Am plane was the first plane I ever remember seeing. I used to call it the "plane with the big blue ball on the tail". That was probably around 1982. Of course PA left MSY from 1985-1987, but they came back in '88. And I was at the airport for the "inagural". May 1988 I remember it fondly. The plane was late arriving into MSY and we couldn't wait any longer. As we drove down the access road towards Interstate 10 there she was...in all her glory, a 727 touched down on runway 1. I got a great view of her. Pan Am was back. It was a hell of a feeling.

God I have some great memories. I even remember little obscure details, such as the big sign that was hanging over the PA counter in MSY saying: "NONSTOP CHARLOTTE $79.00." That was, of course, flight 578 (MSY-CLT-JFK) and 579 on the return.

So on that fateful day in 1991 I had just come home from school and was watching the 5pm local news when the reporter reported that Pan Am shut down. They had a live crew at the airport. It had just happened to be a day that I wasn't there. That was probably for the better...I don't know if I could have kept back the tears if I was there in person.

I could just go on and on and on...but I won't. R.I.P Pan Am, you are missed!


User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

I always remember those big 747 clippers coming in to LAX.

User currently offlineClipperHawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9013 times:

Pan American World Airways was THE carrier across the world. There was nothing like them and never will be. They taught the world how to fly.

The big blue ball lives on in so many of us with such great memories.

Pan Am

First in the Caribbean
First in the Pacific
First on the Atlantic
First around the world.

Hard to top that!





"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Just to add to my above posting, I never once stepped foot on a Pan Am aircraft. The passion I had/have for the airline is something I cannot really describe, but over time, as I have learned about the history of the airline and its legacy, it has really made it all the more meaningful.

User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

I was 13 when Pan Am shut down but am a fellow Pan AM die-hard (is anyone else here seeing a pattern?).

Where do we get it from? What is the lure of that blue meatball? I could chalk it up to my father working for PA at JFK in the 60's.....but it's much more than that.

My early PA memories come from watching the LGA action. Just remember 727's for the shuttle and domestic ops. My first "enthusiast" trip to JFK was to the PA WorldPort in Sepetmber of 1991. I'm glad I went when I did....little did I know a few months later would have been too late. I grabbed some WorldPort brochures and took in all the sites of the international terminal, domestic, and rooftop garage.

Unfortunately for me I went at the wrong time of day - too early. The only aircraft I was able to get shots of was a lone 727, a few A310's, and a Dash 7. I missed the heavies. I now wish I would have stayed longer to get the 747's/A300's. I did get one 747 on arrival.....and then I left thinking there would be plenty of more chances.

I kept the newspaper clippings from a few months later - the end of an era. I was also at LGA the day after Delta took over the shuttle.

A few years later after I was at college in Florida I went back to JFK and made the most of PA II - not missing this chance at all. My father was on the inaugural PA II flight from JFK to MIA and back. And most recently I worked at SFB, able to be near that blue globe. But there is no replacement for the original.

My dedication to "The Chosen Instrument":

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=383815
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=383279
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=382142
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=383256
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=383272

Not the originals....but still nice to see.

-Rich


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

They went bust. What on earth was so good about an airline with such bad management? I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

hey spike...............take your bad mood out of here................better yet....keep it in the UK where it belongs..............you never will see what all the fuss is about..........you never experienced Pan Am! Those that never did get it.........never will, so don't try


FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
User currently offlineRerj37 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

I just saw the movie about Howard Hughes, THE AVIATOR.
Juan Trippe features fairly prominently, but what struck me was Trippe's office (in the Chrysler Building, I think) and the fabulous decor. Later they had their own Manhattan skyscraper - is it still called the Pan Am building? - and helicopter service to the airports.
I flew Pan Am for the first time in a DC-6B in Europe sometime in the 50s, on a 727 over the Russian Zone to Berlin in the 60s. and later took the inaugural 747 to Australia in 1970. I took a nonstop 747SP from LAX to SYD later - that was fun, with an on-board lottery on the arrival time!

Robin Johnson


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

No bad mood mate, just can't see what all the fuss about Pan Am is. It was pretty average on my flight with them - Delhi to Hong Kong.

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

This happens to be a thread to share our positive experiences with Pan Am.........maybe you did'nt read the first topic i posted. if you have nothing positive to say............don't say anyting at all or start your own thread if you wish..........what did your mummie teach you?


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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

SPIKE......

As I read my thread starter......i see that I wrote "good or bad" experiences with PAA. I extend my apologies to you. I am sorry you had a average flight with PAA.........and I appreciate your experience............as well as your input.
 Sad



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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

My first two flights to America were on Pan Am, back in 1989 and 1990. Spike is right so far, by that time, PA's flight were hardly average, with not enough food-choices on boards, some old and beat-up aircraft, a dirty and dark Worldport at JFK - however,

It was PAN AM!

Even to me, as a 9- and 10-year-old at that time, Pan Am was something special. It was the American flag carrier, and one of the most famous names around the world.

Besides, by that time, they even knew, they weren't that great anymore. I remember a German-TV ad in the late eighties, were a popular German actor (Manfred Krug) was boarding a PA flight to Berlin and joking, what kind of service he could expect for the low fare he paid...

Especially to Germans, they were somewhat a German airline too, with their flights from Berlin to many German airports (I remember seeing a PA ATR at the airport of Sylt - an island in the Northern Sea).

At TXL they have a small memorial plate for Pan Am, acknowleding the great service they provided to the city during hard times.

So they are gone, but they won't ever be forgotten!


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8910 times:

Spike - The fascination with Pan Am isn't about it's service, it's about the history. I can't argue that by the end the service was mediocre (not through lack of trying by the employees, it all just felt very tired) and some of the planes were looking a little ratty, but that's not what people are talking about. They are talking about the carrier that bore the US Flag around the world and opened up aviation in vast tracks of the world. They are talking about an airline that was built and run by one of the giants of aviation history, and arguable one of the most colorful characters ever to run an airline. They are talking about an airline that was literally 'first' in so very many different ways, and laid the ground work for much of today's global air network. You can't talk about commercial aviation history without talking about the significant role that Pan Am played.

Pan Am to many, especially in the states, was the closest the US will ever come to having a 'National' airline. Even if you didn't know squat about airlines and airplanes, you know who and what Pan Am was, and you recognized their planes. The loss of Pan Am was emotionally comparable to what most Brits would experience if BA suddenly shut down, or perhaps what the Belgians felt with the loss of Sabena.

Now that I'm done waxing poetic - I'm going to go look at my old PA timetables.  Big grin

Duane



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

seapdx.........welcome to my first respected user............. Sad


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Well we could all go on and on about BCal, TWA, BOAC, or UTA or Court Line for also being 'firsts' in many ways. Pan Am was no different in its days but it sure didn't have any management stucture (see 'Catch Me if you Can' for example). Also, its so called 'golden days' seem to be much more in the 707 era than the L-1011, DC-10, 747, A300 days.

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8859 times:

ok,....... ignore him..............tell me, what did you like about Pan Am..........


FIRST ON THE ATLANTIC.....FIRST ON THE PACIFIC.....FIRST IN LATIN AMERICA...FIRST 'ROUND THE WORLD.....PAN AM!!
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8847 times:

You're absolutely right, we could go on about all those airlines - each contributing to the history of commercial aviation and each important in their way. BUT - this thread is about Pan Am - so, if you don't want to talk about Pan Am, I'm not quiet sure why you're in this particular thread?


"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

As you asked, I did like the blue world logo. I also loved the metal sweet tin that they gave me (which I still have to date - i keep foreign coins/notes in it) and I liked the fact that almost all the crew were from somewhere else than the home base.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Funny, when I read that other thread, even though it was about other Pan Am planes, I recalled one of the first times I had seen a 747 in real life, while sitting in the cold and windy seats of Candlestick Park near SFO, and it flew overhead, with the big blue globe on its tail. Planes didn't usually fly over the stadium from west to east, nor that low, and I was excited to see it in flight above me, whatever the reason it had.

The day Pan Am shut down, I heard the news on the radio in my hotel room in Amsterdam. Ironically, that trip I'd taken United over the route via Heathrow that Pan Am had sold them earlier that year. The news took me by surprise, because I thought it might survive, even for a little while longer. Later that same trip, while driving from the west of England to London, I passed an exit for Lockerbie out of the blue. That made the sense of loss somehow greater.

I can understand people thinking "so what, it's just an airline." You just had to be there. If you had any glimmer of love for aviation, seeing someone off on a trip on Pan Am was an event ... they were going somewhere special. You couldn't fly them in the lower 48, until later in their years. When you had a ticket on Pan Am you were going to London, Paris, Tokyo, Bombay, Rio! That's something we just take for granted now, in busses in the skies, not great airliners that opened the doors to travel worldwide.

It's true Pan Am's service and schedules suffered near the end, and when I flew overseas I usually took TWA. But I still consider myself lucky I was able to fly a number of times on an icon of the golden age of flying. Somehow, it made me a part of that history.

When I was indulged to get some time up on the observation deck in the old Central Termnal, or in the parking lot near the runways, coming across any of these at SFO would have made for a fine day of spotting:


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Cheers.  Smile

[Edited 2005-02-14 11:01:30]


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User currently offlineXaphan From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8777 times:

My first flight on PAA was on a DC 6B "Super Six Clipper" IDL-BDA. After that flew another DC 6B MIA-HAV and returned on a CV 240 with boarding through aft door. What I loved most were the Clipper names. Most carried names of real clipper ships, and I could never get the image out of my mind of one of those magnificent ships, sails set, a bone in her teeth, heading out for points unknown. My biggest disappointment was never getting to fly on a Boeing Stratacruiser. My favorite ship name was DC 10 30 Clipper Celestrial Empire, which has religious significance to me.
The Chosen instrament will be missed,


25 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Later they had their own Manhattan skyscraper - is it still called the Pan Am building? No, it was sold to the insurance company MetLife in 1981 and r
26 ATCRick : Searpqx said it perfectly. Pan Am is all about history and being the American flag carrier to the world! The Pan Am Blue Ball was as widely recognized
27 Dtwclipper : I had many friends at the blue meatball, especially at HQ in New York. My first trans-Atlantic flight was on a PA 747. I will never forget the service
28 Panamair : To anyone who loves aviation, Pan Am is a name that cannot be ignored. Without Pan Am, there may not have been a 707 or a 747; without Pan Am, transpa
29 Leelaw : Tu154: Perhaps you might consider composing your future posts with standard punctuation. IMO, it would make your contributions easier to read and comp
30 TACAA320 : I have great memories about PA [the old one]. Those unbelievable 727, 707 and 747 beauties. Nevertheless, their in flight service, even in J and F was
31 Zrs70 : Seeing that PA DID have Airbuses in their day, it's not that far of a leap to think about were they still alive.
32 Spike : Looking at the old Pan Am route maps is like looking at a chart of American friendship though the decades. Look how many places PA used to serve and c
33 TACAA320 : Zrs70 "Seeing that PA DID have Airbuses in their day, it's not that far of a leap to think about were they still alive." You're absolutely right. And
34 DL021 : I rode Pan Am 707's and 747's back in the day from JFK to ORY and then CDG and always felt it was like I was flying the official United States airline
35 Clipper002 : As a 29 year veteran of Pan Am, I could probably go on for hours about all that took place during my employment. Instead I 'll try to answer some of t
36 NeptunesCar : Growing up my family only flew Pan Am, because our family was all over the world. To this day it seems strange to see DL UA and AA overseas, because t
37 OttoPylit : Wow Clipper, That answers a lot. I never remembered hearing of bad relations and haven't really heart any former PAA employees tell me that there were
38 Avek00 : "Pan Am senior management was a joke from the late 70's on." Some would argue that PA management was a joke since before then: 1. The massive 747 orde
39 Dtwclipper : "3. Little attention was given to the need for a strong domestic network to feed the international operation." May we assume that you understand the h
40 Clipper002 : The 747 order in and of itself was not the problem, it was the timing that was way off. The economy took a huge tailspin just before the delivery of t
41 Panamair : "Pan Am senior management was a joke from the late 70's on." Some would argue that PA management was a joke since before then:" Actually, I would argu
42 AeroWesty : We get your point already that anything un-British is of personal offense to you. Repeating your glum viewpoints in this particular thread only makes
43 Panamair : Spike said "Look how many places PA used to serve and constast it with how many places USAF have since bombed. Its quite shocking to the by-stander! "
44 Algoz : I too worked for a few glorious years for Pan Am, until we were sold to United (and look where we are now - it's like deja vu). It's very difficult fo
45 Clipper002 : Panamair, I agree with you about the plastic man. He was a good guy who came along too late. Ed
46 CougarAviator : It seems Pan Am went south, once Trippe retired. The deal for National was a back breaker as well......... I love Pan Am!!!! In fact, my license plate
47 Tan Flyr : Pan Am! The Chosen Instrument! For several decades (mid 30's- mid 50s) PAA was as influential in many parts of the third world as the US Embassy was,
48 GdJet16 : TU154...thank you very much for starting this thread... I am always interested in learning more about Pan Am, as I consider them to be the greatest ai
49 Post contains links Tu154 : http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-PAN%20AM.html great site with a history of Pan Am routes, timetables etc.
50 Jetdeltamsy : i didn't enjoy my time at pan am so much. it is true that i was able to see some very exotic ports. internally the company was always at maximum chaos
51 Avek00 : ".....who knows, if the merger had been successful, Pan Am may actually still be around today!" More likely is the possibility that a combined PA/NW w
52 Dtwclipper : "Even if NW didn't pay a dime for Pan Am" It was the other way around. Pan Am was going to take over NW!
53 Avek00 : ""Even if NW didn't pay a dime for Pan Am" It was the other way around. Pan Am was going to take over NW!" ...just as bad - PA would have had to spend
54 Deltaamtrak058 : My grandfather use to work for PAA and now for DL...Whenever we pass the former PAA building (in NYC, above Grand Central Station) he says "PAA's soul
55 Dtwclipper : Not necessarily so, conjecture here, but a combined NW/PA would have given the combined airline a solid domestic system, a money making pacific, and d
56 Glydrflyr : In the fifties, PA flew all three of the great piston engine airliners, Boeings Stratocruiser, Douglas' DC-7C "Seven Seas" and, not to start a new thr
57 Clipper002 : Glydrflyr, Finally I can relate to someone around my own age. You can't beat the startup of an old piston engine. The DC-3 would frequently backfire a
58 I15846375 : I grew up in the shadow of Chicago, Northwest Indiana, but became fascinated with the commerical airline industry early in my life, I witnessed the la
59 Post contains links AeroWesty : While I was looking for something else, I ran across a site that had tables listing the final disposition of all the Pan American flying boats -- Siko
60 OttoPylit : If I had one chance to do anything I wanted in aviation, it would be to fly aboard one of Pan Am's Boeing 314 Clippers. The plane that(in my opinion)
61 ClipperHawaii : The storied history of Pan American has no comparison. They were the leader amongst all airlines. In the heady days of Pan Am you could board a 707 Je
62 INTENSS : "My grandfather use to work for PAA and now for DL...Whenever we pass the former PAA building (in NYC, above Grand Central Station) he says "PAA's sou
63 Post contains links and images Latinplane : I love this subject! Thanks for sharing all your memories! By the way. There is a book that just came out called "The Pan Am Building and the Shatteri
64 Dadoftyler : Two PanAm stories from me.... While working for American Airlines in 1979, I took a weekend jaunt to Rome with a few of my coworkers. The evening befo
65 Scotron11 : My first 747 experience was PA101 JFK-LHR in 1972 (Dayflight). Awesome! I remember sitting there watching the wings "flap" like a bird on our take-off
66 Post contains images Tu154 : I was talking with a friend last night, who is also former PAA, who brought up some interesting things that were special about Pan Am: Lobster thermad
67 Tu154 : Oh, and I forgot our computer system.."PANAMATIC"
68 Algoz : TU154, shouldn't that be PANAMAC AND PANACHECK? Panamac was the reservation system, and Panacheck was the checkin system.....
69 Panamair : That's right - PANAMAC was the reservations system... Also, TU154, do you remember the "African Queens" (maybe before your time) - these were the f/as
70 Post contains images Tu154 : Thanks for the correction....you're right....PANAMAC. Almost got it right! I only flew the Africa trip once, got it on reserve. It was a 10 day trip o
71 Clipper002 : Tu154, Prior to your joining Pan Am, those African trips were 13 day patterns. A very senior run to say the least. Rgds, Ed
72 Post contains links ClassicLover : This web site - http://www.flyingclippers.com/ Has a lot of information about the Flying Boats. It is also the web site where I ordered a bunch of Pan
73 Jr : My first PA flight was on a classic 747 on the DEL-VIE-FRA-JFK run, with a connection from JFK to BNA (I believe it routed as JFK-PIT-BNA). Thats what
74 Lono : This is a great thread!!!! great to hear all the old stories of the "Grandfather" of all airlines..... The big blue ball still to this day is recogniz
75 252MKR : Hey 154, I always knew about the achievements of PanAm--but they never really took with me until this last initial (during international school) when
76 DC3CV3407AC727 : I jumpseat a PAA 727, during the last days of operation back in Apr.'91,it was DFW-JFK, the crew was resigned to their fate, I hope.I pray they all la
77 Post contains images Foxecho : Tu154, Clipper002, and all the good PA folks out there- I remember the Christmas parties at the JFK hanger...good times My mom worked out of Hanger 14
78 Post contains images Tu154 : nice fiew of the L1011 in Tokyo, and the interior YC. (was not the easiest plane to work in YC)
79 Kkfla737 : I'm accumulating a nice collection of PA timetables from the late 70s thru 1991 and it is just amazing the frequent turnover of destinations and routi
80 Jonty : slightly off topic, AeroWesty you said "Later that same trip, while driving from the west of England to London, I passed an exit for Lockerbie out of
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