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A300NG - Possible?  
User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
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"Everyone" is wondering why Airbus hasn't come up with an A300 replacement.

And I wonder (as always): as Airbus is becoming notorious for shortening, stretching and enhancing their products already flying, why do they not develop a Next Generation A300, so that they can offer something competitive in the 200-seat category without too much "fuss"?

How about an A300-600 design featuring the "Enhancements" from the A345 and A346: FBW, fly-by-wire rudder, new Thales active matrix LCD-screens, revised pax cabin and RR Trent 556-560 engines? Such an aircraft would be beneficial to LH and Thai, giving them a modern short-medium haul 200-225-seat aircraft to complement their larger medium-longer range siblings (333 + 345 + 346) while having an identical cockpit and engines (RR Trent 500 + 700).

Obviously, it would require some work to do this, but wouldn't it be a good idea? The A300 has a proven track record of reliability and efficiency, so why change the aircraft like they wanted to by offering a A330-100 with a heavy wing? Surely it would be cheaper to make an A300NG than an all-new design?

Am I on to something or just talking bollocks?

Comments appreciated...


[Edited 2005-02-14 13:41:41]


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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

I thought that the A330 was the replacement.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

The line will probably close within the next few years. No one is buying A300's anymore only cargo variants. UPS just cancelled a whole heap of A300's in favour of the A380.

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

The A300 has a proven track record of reliability and efficiency

Well it's not reknown for reliability.

The A300's still quite a good plane, it only weighs about 90t (It will be interesting to see how much the 783 weighs), which is good for a aircraft of it's size with it's cargo capabilities. They'd have to make it FBW though in order to be compatible with the A330/A340/A350, which could be costly. It's certainly worth an investigation however.

I thought that the A330 was the replacement

The A332's too heavy (122t IIRC) to be an effective replacement.


User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

I belive that for the upcoming future A. chose to go for the A350 in that category, an upgrade of the A300 doesn't fit into this plan.


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

If Airbus were going to make an A300NG, they wouldnt call it the A300NG. They would do what they always do and call it a different family like they did with the A318, A319, A320 and the A321 (they are in the same family, but with different names). So we will probley never see an A300NG, it will probley live on as an other name in the near future.

aerlingus330



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

I think an A-321 is a replacement for the 300 with a little stretch.


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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I think it will come, but it not be based on the technology of the current A330/340. It will have the lighter fuselage and the avionics of the A350 and Trent 1000 or GeNX engines in the 50000 lbs thrust class. It will either have the length of the A300 or that of the A332. The wings will probably revised A300 wings. A possible name is A330-800.

This is nothing than speculation, of course, but I think it's the best they can do with their possibilities and it would make sense.

A350



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Haven't AF, TG, and LH been replacing the A300 with the A332/A333? Why hasn't the weight differential been an issue for them? AA (34) and JL (22) are now the largest remaining pax operators of the A300. Neither seems a likely customer for an updated version of the A300.

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

LH thought the A332 was generally too heavy, let alone for short haul. The A332 was only leased in till the A333's arrived. AF replaced the A300 with A32X's and TG are still a large operator of young A300's and have no intent on replacing them.

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

This might be a good idea, having a more composite body, FBW and new avionics and interior might give the aircraft new life.

But how much are we talking about here, this could be very expensive, and I believe for a little bit more money you can get a clean sheet design.

Drew



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

In contrast to AF @ CDG, LH is slot restricted at FRA and cannot simply replace one A300 flight by two A319s. They are still operating about 12 of them and don't have plans to phase them out. They are a potential customer for an A300NG (whatever its name will be).

A350



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

I think Boeing/Airbus will be going single aisle for a new 200-220 short/medium range aircraft.

Operating cost are so much lower then a twin aisle & nobody really needs a large cargo capasity on the short routes anymore (dedicated & cheaper operators / aircraft / roadtransports take over).

I still suspect Airbus to be looking at a heavy 32x, a A322 or something for this market.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

This is a well discussed topic.

The A305 is what's been rumored, and it will come after the A350.

N


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

>I think an A-321 is a replacement for the 300 with a little stretch.<

The problem with this, as well as a heavier A32S is simple. The A300's strength is not actually its passenger capacity, rather its ability to carry cargo. This is because the A300 is a widebody, and especially wide for its size. An A320 based replacement would be a narrowbody and would not have the same capability. Additionally, the range would be pathetic.

The A305 is the best replacement that Airbus has mentioned, though the 787 is by far the best replacement actually offered.



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User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Airbus had such a plan few years ago, combining the A330 fuselage including cockpit and systems with a revised, more efficient A300 wing and new engines, the A300 wing idea was to have a smaller span wing than the A330, to allow the aircraft to fit into A300's gates/stands, this held back some airlines from ordering A332's as A306 replacments. This was in response to reqiurements of Lufhansa to replace their A300-600's and Hapag Lloyd (A310) but the the plan never went further, I think tit would have appealed to other airlines too.

User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Since the A350 is only in the begining stages, and the only pictures we have of it are all A330-200/A330-300 with a computer generated liverys saying A350 on it.
Its possible that the A350 could be the long awaited new A300? Could this be Airbus` greatest weapon against the 787?

aerlingus330



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

The A305 is the best replacement that Airbus has mentioned, though the 787 is by far the best replacement actually offered.

Please.

The 7E7-3 is a 300 seat plane. That's hardly a good replacement for a 190-250 seat family.

N


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Please.

The 7E7-3 is a 300 seat plane. That's hardly a good replacement for a 190-250 seat family.

The 7e7-3 has very similar size to the A300. You just compared a two class seating on the 7e3 with a three class layout on the A300, or so. The A300 can take 375 in all economy, the 7e3 will be similar.


~DeltaWings




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