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AC To Lease Ex-BWIA A340  
User currently offlineKrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

AC will lease an BWIA A340-312 (MSN 048) from IFLC starting this march. I know that AC is looking for used A340/B767's to accommodate its international expansion, but why an -312 with cfm56-5c3's ? All of AC's A343's are -313X increased gross weight versions. I guess AC isn't planning on using this plane on its YYZ-NRT or DEL flights. I assume it will receive AC's new c/s and maybe new seats with IFE.


KrisYYZ

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User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

If you can find any 343-313x's around that are available let AC know, they'll likely take them as well. They've been scouring the market for months looking for extra widebody lift. There are more commonalities with this acft than say some of the 777-200's that are parked right now. (trained pilots for one) It may not be suitable for the routes you mentioned but there are plenty of others it will fit in nicely with. It will likely sport the new colours, but as for the new IFE, I doubt it. Replacement isn't due to start until Sept., only new acf from the factory will have the new system this summer. (Embraer's)



User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

very true! A340-313X are in great demand and it is hard to find a used one. Lately AI had to give up and lease ex-UA B777 as no A343 were available.
It is rumoured that SA is about to dispose of A340-200 and couple of private Indian carriers like 9W or S2 are trying to lay their hands on them. Nothing final as yet, so AC might as well give it a try.
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineBwione From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Further to Aseem's post, it now looks like SAA wants to lease out it A340-300s upon delivery and is pitching those aircraft through Airbus to Jet Airways. This according to Air Transport Intelligence.

Tony


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

lease out it A340-300s upon delivery
why did they order them in the first place.funny!!
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the A343 in question is ex Air Jamaica (MSN 048), and will fly as fin #983. If I recall, two former AC A340-300's were returned to the lessor, one being sent to BW, and one to JM. Seating and galley configurations should be compatible to AC's existing fleet.

Given the dire aircraft shortage, the aircraft will most likely receive a new paint job, but new seating, interiors and IFE on all aircraft is not slated to commence until the spring. Don't see the 340's being pulled for a retrofit until the next 'C' check or until the next low peak travel period being next fall.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

I have a feeling the new plane will be used for flights YYZ-GRU. What are other potential candidates?

Rgs,


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

YYZ-TLV in the summer is another possibility, for the lift and a tad more range than a 763.

I doubt these planes are going to get IFE since the current presumption is that AC's new fleet plan will start bringing in either 773ERs or A340-600HGWs in 2006.







User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Considering the new YYZICN 3 weekly and YYZPEK 4 weekly.. perhaps the aircraft will go there instead of TLV and GRU  Smile



User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

According to my records BWIA have 2 A340's as below:

9Y-JIL A340-313 016 ex G-VSKY (VIR) Del 230104
9Y-TJN A340-313 093 ex C-FTNP (ACA) Del 0602

Therefore one used to belong to Air Canada!



User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Regarding deployment of the A340's. From marketing's point of view, the priorities are as follows on existing routes:

ASIA (removal of 763's from most/all Asia routes)
SYD (year round)
GRU
TLV (seasonally and during Jewish Holiday periods)

Still convinced that the A340 is coming from JM, who is downsizing to reflect their current difficulties. (Eliminating MBJ-LHR/MAN & LHR-HAV). AC would love to re-lease 9Y-TJN as it is still in AC seating (32/252) and galley configuration.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Considering the new YYZICN 3 weekly and YYZPEK 4 weekly.. perhaps the aircraft will go there instead of TLV and GRU

Won't these 2 new routes actually require slightly more than 1 343? Ie, can 1 343 be turned quickly enough for 7 straight days to handle these long routes? Isnt the block time on each segment 10-12 hours?

I wonder if AC is also looking for used RR 333's? These could handle YVR-NRT and YVR-KIX. I know AC briefly scheduled the 333 on 2 weekly YVR-NRT last summer but I don't know if any were actually operated.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

AC's 330's never made it across the pacific (yet), despite the earlier planned schedule ex YVR on AC003 (NRT). Think NW beat us to the punch, being the first A330 trans-pacific operator.

The 343 is definitely making YYZ-PEK and YYZ-ICN possible. The flights don't commence till June and July respectively, but the aircraft is said to be joining the fleet in March.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

AC's 330's never made it across the pacific (yet), despite the earlier planned schedule ex YVR on AC003 (NRT). Think NW beat us to the punch, being the first A330 trans-pacific operator.

NW uses the longer range 332 on the pacific routes and the shorter range 333 on atlantic routes. Still no carrier uses the 333 on pacific.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2979 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Some are you are dead wrong.
AC used the A333 on some days of the week on the YVR-NRT run last summer. AC was the first over the Pacific with A330, of any type.
NW is the first and only A332 carrier over the Pacific.


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AC could pull the A343 off the YVR-NRT run and put it on longer runs and sub-in a A333 on the YVR-NRT. The loss of a A333 on the trans-Atlantic run can be done with extra 763 flights, if necessary.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

I never knew AC's A333 flew to Asia, I thought the only A333 flight where to YYZ.

According to my records BWIA have 2 A340's as below:

9Y-JIL A340-313 016 ex G-VSKY (VIR) Del 230104
9Y-TJN A340-313 093 ex C-FTNP (ACA) Del 0602

Therefore one used to belong to Air Canada!


6Y-JMC (ex 3B-NAT, Air Mauritius) A340-312 will be leased to Air Canada as fin #983.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Well either way it'll be nice to see another widebody in AC's fleet.

Another thing to the thread starter....Nice name man  Big thumbs up

KrisYYC  Big grin



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

JM is returning one of its A340's to the lessor, so more than likely Air Canada will be getting that one. THe only A340 BW was suppose to return becuase it was short term lease, is 9Y-JIL, ex VS bird.


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

For the record I think it was Canada 3000 that crossed the pacific with A330's first....
 Smile



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User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Slawko,

Did Canada 3000 actually make it all the way across the Pacific with their 330s, or did they just make it part way?

Oh, wait a minute - they did serve SYD, didn't they? So, I guess they did make it across Smile


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

For the record I think it was Canada 3000 that crossed the pacific with A330's first....

The C3 332 skeds to SYD all stopped at HNL. The 332 does not have the range for YVR-SYD. So technically, since the C3 332 was not nonstop across the Pacific, it doesn't count!  Smile Actually, C3 also used the 752 on YVR-HNL-Nadi-SYD, and HNL-Raratonga-AKL.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Captain K When is JIl suppose to be returned??


Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1965961

5th 'paragraph'.

 Big thumbs up

Cheers,

Rob K  Wink/being sarcastic


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