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Coex Pulling HOU..........  
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
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COEX will no longer serve HOU-CLE starting next month. however come june there will be an additional XRJ HOU-EWR.


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Does CO offer any mainline on the HOU-EWR route? These are long distances to go on an ERJ.

Another question i had.....how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively? If the vast majority of the CO destinations can be reached from IAH or EWR, this sort of makes the HOU-CLE flight unnessescary.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 604 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Does CO offer any mainline on the HOU-EWR route?

Yes, they use 737-700s on the route.



ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Next month? CALMSP, the flights vanished about two weeks ago. The no long show in availibility. No announcement, no nothing. I was working the 840pm CLE-IAH about two weeks ago, maybe a little more, and we got a pax over who had missed a CLE-HOU flight. I look in availibility last week, and the service is already gone.

The flights always had a pretty good load when I worked them. Wonder what gives.

how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively?

The ones I can think of, which include CO Connection, are ERI, FWA, SBN, FNT, AZO, ISP, HPN, TOL. I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

If the vast majority of the CO destinations can be reached from IAH or EWR, this sort of makes the HOU-CLE flight unnessescary.

The vast majority of domestic destinations served from IAH and EWR are also served from CLE, so what's your point? You serve from your hubs what you think will make money. You don't just say "well, we serve XXX market from this hub, so we won't serve it from this one." That makes no sense, with all due respect.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Did they change the mainline HOU-EWR to 73G? Cause last I checked it was operated with a 735.


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

The vast majority of domestic destinations served from IAH and EWR are also served from CLE, so what's your point? You serve from your hubs what you think will make money. You don't just say "well, we serve XXX market from this hub, so we won't serve it from this one." That makes no sense, with all due respect.

The point i'm trying to make is, why connect in clevleland from HOU if you can drive 15 miles up the road and get on a nonstop flight. Also, why sit in an RJ for 3 hours when you can just as easily make a connection at EWR, and ride a nice mainline jet for three hours. CLE is the weak hub of CO, and it makes sense that the flights failed because CO's major hub is in the same city, and mainline is offered to their other good N'eastern hub.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7781 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

For people living in the southern suburbs of Houston, it is a bit more than a 15 minute drive to get from Hobby to Intercontinental. I believe even in light traffic it is a good 30+ minutes from the Galleria or downtown to Interncontinental.

Offering n/s flights from Hobby to Newark and Cleveland helps to keep otherwise loyal CO customers from flying other carriers that offer flights from Hobby. If the loads were as good as Falcon described there must be a reason why it was dropped, perhaps poor yields, or equipment was needed elsewhere in the system.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Well--the CLE service was started with the mindset that all of those OnePass elite members that use to fly EFD-IAH from the southside of the city would opt to change planes now to gain extra miles and for the convenience of closer in Hobby; but as it has been said-CLE is too weak of a hub and doesn't offer enough connection opportunities from Houston. Newark on the other hand offers up European and more northeast destinations for H-Town customers.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Yea CLE-DAL didn't work ...but more flights to be added DAL-IAH to make up for WN leaving IAH

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Also, why sit in an RJ for 3 hours when you can just as easily make a connection at EWR, and ride a nice mainline jet for three hours.

Most people outside this site don't really care what kind of aircraft they fly, as long as they get there. Not everyone makes a reservation with the type of equipment being used, keep in mind. If such were the case, carriers wouldn't have RJ's at all, would they?  Smile

CLE is the weak hub of CO, and it makes sense that the flights failed because CO's major hub is in the same city..

Then why fly EWR-HOU, when that could potentially draw traffic away from IAH? CLE is third in line for everything with CO, that's no secret, and when you have two huge markets like EWR and IAH, that's as it should be, but that doesn't mean that's why it "failed". It may have not have "failed" at all, but it could be in the depressed yield market it wasn't doing as well as thought (it did have 40+ pax quite a bit, I can tell you firsthand), and it's possible COEX needs the aircraft somewhere else.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

>>how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively?
The ones I can think of, which include CO Connection, are ERI, FWA, SBN, FNT, AZO, ISP, HPN, TOL. I'm sure I'm missing one or two. >>



The list continues. Louisville, Norfolk, Lexington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Buffalo, Albany, Manchester, Providence, Boston, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Birmingham, New Orleans, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Newark, San Antonio, Austin, Tampa, Orlando, etc. etc.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

:The list continues. Louisville, Norfolk, Lexington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Buffalo, Albany, Manchester, Providence, Boston, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Birmingham, New Orleans, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Newark, San Antonio, Austin, Tampa, Orlando, etc. etc."

Uhh--I think they mean cities that only get CO CLE service.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
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pulling BHM as well.


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Yes, I was wondering what CO cites ONLY get CLE service, with no service to EWR or IAH.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5465 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Sorry about BHM - that it a market that SHOULD have worked. As another poster noted, CLE comes in 3rd when the assets are dealt out, so there must have been a greater opportunity elsewhere.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2302 times:

IAH-DAL goes to 13x daily in April according to an article in the Amarillo newspaper...

User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2290 times:

I can think of these markets that are served solely via CLE...

Allentown/Bethlehem, Erie, Fort Wayne, Harrisburg, South Bend, Toledo, and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.

However, the connections in CLE are much better to these markets than connecting in EWR from HOU/IAH...

Albany, Buffalo, Burlington, Manchester/Nashua, Portland Maine, Providence, Rochester, and Syracuse.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Btw, in our computer for new routes for June, that CO will start a seasonal CLE-ABQ from June 11 to Oct 1. The flight(s) (I'm sure it's just one) haven't been loaded yet ,so don't know if it's an XRJ or 735/73G.

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2037 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
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AZO is no longer served by aircraft flying under the Continental banner, they have codeshare with NWA, and I'm prety sure that's a market they codeshare on Delta with as well.

I'm suprised AZO has the service it does.

-Charlie


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1365 times:


Quoting Drerx7 (reply 4):
Did they change the mainline HOU-EWR to 73G? Cause last I checked it was operated with a 735.


HOU-EWR is currently flown by a 735, flight 1446 HOU-EWR and 1444/861 on the return leg.

Harry



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

If such were the case, carriers wouldn't have RJ's at all, would they?

No they still would.

It gives reasons to have airports in SHV, MLU, MEI, FLO, MGM, etc. etc.

In the absence of choice you will see people get on a plane they hate over getting on one at all.



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