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Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet  
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

Avianca has grounded its fleet of 4 Boeing 767-200 due to what the company calls "preventative inspections". It expects the grounding to stay in place for approximately 3 days. Last night's BOG-MAD was cancelled, as well as the return flight. Tonight's flight to Madrid has been programmed with a Boeing 757. It is showing as non-stop so far, but it is clear that a refueling stop will have to be done. So Madrid spotters, be aware!

A flight from Mexico has also been cancelled, but the aircraft has been ferried to BOG for inspection.

Apart from the 767-200s grounded, AV has a single 767-300 that it uses on its flights to JFK and it is often used on CCS too.

Despite the grounding, the company is managing to keep disruption to a minimum, making the most of its 757s. I wonder if the 2 additional 757s that were to enter the fleet, have already done so.

At this point we would be very grateful for additional information from AV757.

[Edited 2005-02-15 17:02:19]

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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

Are all of these Avianca a/c under US registration, if so, what company operates them, to my understanding Colombia is still CAT2.

I heard that countries with CAT 2 have some limitations, some have to lease a/c and crews, how does Avianca Manage this?



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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

As long as I know, AV is no longer CAT 2, however I might be wrong...let's wait AV757 last words  Big grin


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

What about the flights to MIA? I know AV serves MIA w/ 762, 763ER, 752 & MD-88


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9614 times:

Colombia has been in CAT 1 for a long while now.
MIA will be served with 757s from BOG, MDE, CLO and BAQ. MD83 from CTG.
JFK will still be served as usual with a daily 763 from BOG, and 757 from MDE/CLO

[Edited 2005-02-15 18:04:45]

User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9420 times:

Today's flights to MAD and MEX are cancelled.
BOG MIA operate in 757, and UIO and FLL in MD80.

What's the problem with the 762?


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9404 times:

The category is not for the Airline, is for the country itself. We were CATII some time in the 90s, but we're CATI long time ago, we can open new flights to the US with Colombian registered planes and with Colombian crew, the reason why AVs planes are not registered here in Colombia relate to taxes and leasing agreements, not the category.

757 non-stop to Madrid from Bogotá? Naaaaa. (Not saying it won't fly, but it'll have to stop, although I still have my doubts about it)
BTW wasn't the CLO - MIA and BAQ - MIA flight joined together as CLO - BAQ - MIA? (at least temporaly).

It's weird that they put the whole 762 fleet offline...It's not like they didn't have good schedules for maintenance, and excellent maintenance btw.



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9401 times:

They must have found something VERY wrong with these aircraft or one of them atleast....for them to cancel all those flights........scary if you ask me but good thing is that they are being cautious and checking all the planes out.....shows a lot about Avianca.

User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

In the news 5 minutes ago:

They said Boeing issued a directive regarding some electric systems and some wires that went to the engines. They interviewed one of Avianca's main maintenance guys at Bogotá and they say it's just a preventive measure, nothing wrong has been found with Avianca's planes, but they prefered to follow Boeing's aforementioned directive right away.



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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

well , is only for security for everybody .
Can any body go to BOG and take some pictures of all 767-200 grounded ? That would be nice to see .

Any body knows about Avianca's new livery ?


User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Ok thanks for making me understand, but then why all AV a/c that they use to the US are N registered? or EI registered?

Thanks.



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User currently offlineLockheed1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Hey!

I just called AV sales office in MIA and they are acting like there is nothing going on!  Sad

I have a customer flying 18FEB flt 95 BOGEZE on a 767 and I wanted to know if they are going to protect her on AR 1371 same day non-stop on a A313 and they said that they will let me know the 18FEB. I do understand that things happen, but to deny it is wrong! :-0

Please keep me posted of the situation. Thank you guys!!!!!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9150 times:

B752Fanatic:

It has to do with the agreements with Avianca and the Aircraft lessors, insurers and also about taxes. It's a circumstance found in lots of Airlines around the World, Alitalia for example has 777s with EI registration, Aeroflot has VP registered planes, Iberia has TF 747s.

Every Airline chooses what's best for them taking into account the possibilities. For example Avianca brought 2 more MD-83s in the mid 90s and were temporarily registered HK, but later re-registered as N593AN and N632CT.

So as you see, Avianca flying to USA with planes registered N and EI is a matter of their own business, and it's not because it's needed for them for flying into the US because of a non-existant CATII for Colombia.

As a side note, Tampa Colombia uses Colombian registered DC-8s into Miami. (Although being replaced by N registered 767s as you might have seen).

An example of the need for use of foreign planes is Aeropostal from Venezuela, they use a Falcon Air 727 (or at least used to), I don't know the current status of Venezuela's category, but as I say, it used to be like that.

[Edited 2005-02-15 20:55:37]


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User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

I cant find any information about this online. Are they sending the 757 out tonight (the 15th ) or tomorrow (the 16th?). Online it says tonights flight is cancelled and tomorrow is as planned with a 767.

¿Algún empleado de Avianca que nos pueda ayudar? (Any Avianca employee that can help us?)



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (reply 14):
757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?

Maybe the loads on today's BOG-MAD flight were low?


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?

AV has actually cancelled tonight's flight to MAD, but has indeed scheduled the 763 for tomorrow, leaving JFK with a 757
Earlier in the day the MAD flight did appear as operated with a 757, but clearly the logistics, to be implemented on such short term did not make it worthwhile


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting MIASkies (reply 3):
know AV serves MIA w/ 762, 763ER, 752 & MD-88


Avianca does not send the 763 regularly to Miami, the other types they do.



Just as additional information regarding other flights...


TODAY [Feb. 15]



  • MIA-BOG is scheduled to arrive at 19:13, confirmed. Flight operated by a 757. Normal arrival time is 19:30


  • MDE-MIA departed northbound today almost 1 and a half hour delayed. Normal departure time is 10:10, the flight departed MDE at 11:33. MIA-MDE, as well, is expected to arrive 1 hour later than usual; when the flight lands circa 18:00, today it is confirmed for a 19:00 arrival.
  • Flight operated by a 757.

  • MIA-CLO and MIA-BAQ had been joint into one sole route, as mentioned early, until the first week of March. The flight, operated by a 757 aircraft, is expected to arrive ontime [22:10] to CLO.


  • MIA-CTG does not operate on Tuesdays.




  • TOMORROW [Feb. 16]



  • BOG-MIA is scheduled for an ontime departure at 10:50 from BOG to MIA. The flight is to be operated on a 757, normal aircraft being a 762.


  • MDE-MIA is scheduled for an ontime departure as well, at 10:10, the flight, however, is going to be served by MD83 equipment. Usual aircraft, a 757.

  • CLO-BAQ-MIA is expected to operate normally, downgraded however to a MD83 also.


  • CTG-MIA is going to operate normally, with expected ontime departure, and MD83 as usual







  • SOUTHAMERICA



    User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8096 times:

    I guessed so... 757 to MAD.. baah


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    User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 818 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

    I was told today that it was a preventive grounding ordered by Boeing but after AV failed to comply with their mandatory inspections on time. Does this make any sense to those who know more about it?

    [Edited 2005-02-16 01:29:27]

    User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

    Yes. The FAA usually or the manufacture company issues mandatory inspections, and give them a certain amount of time to accomplish.
    Maybe they didn't make them on time and know they had to ground the whole fleet to complete with the inspection, that's only a hypothesis.


    User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

    But there have to be routes that will be cancelled, maybe domestic flgihts operated by Md-83s and 757s so they can fly the routes that the other 757s were being used on...

    [Edited 2005-02-16 02:34:45]


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    User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7234 times:
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    A mandatory AD (Airworthiness Directive) has expired, thus grounding the Boeing 767 fleet for 4 days to make the changes on an engine wire harness support isolation ring that has to be changed on the Pratt & Whitney PW4000 series engines, this came about after some upgrading modifications were made on these engines last year, there was some confusion on whether or not the AD was applicable to the modified P&W 4000 engines at AV.

    Colombia is CAT 1 certified by the FAA since 1998,
    and AV is a CAT 2 certified airline for autolands for all its fleet.

    The latest news on the new product launch date of the airline and the new airplane livery colors painted on the first aircraft is going to be on February 28 according to an internal news bulletin and also mentioned by the new owner German Effromovich of Sinergy Group at an informal employee reunion.

    Regards:
    AV757


    User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

    Yes the day of my birthday! I was hoping they changed the date and they did! B/C in February 24 I will be in Guajira with my school pals...


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    User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3987 times:

    According with the flight tracker IB is coming to BOG today with two flights : 6741 with the A340-600 and 6743 with the B747-300 I supposed this is related with the AV's cancellation, isnt it?

    Juan
    SKBO


    25 Summa767 : It must have to do with AV's cancelled flights from MAD. I notice in AV's website that the flight to Madrid appears as on schedule on a 767. JFK's fli
    26 Wimpycol : Hello AV757, Thanks for the detailed info!! I just received the same information from Avianca/BOG Colombia But what I've heard that the B762 fleet wi
    27 Bogota : I have been all afternoon, looking out my office window for IB 747 as the landings have been visual 31 for the last few days. I was not lucky enough b
    28 SOUTHAMERICA : The first thing that comes to mind, following strictly your description, is a possible Iberworld A330-300. SOUTHAMERICA
    29 JUANR : Yes it was an Iberworld A330 I saw it. Juan SKBO
    30 Post contains images Tavong : And i also saw the IB 747-400. Weir things you see these days Gus SKBO
    31 JUANR : Gus: I think it was a 747-300 not 400. Although no major difference isn't.? Juan SKBO
    32 IslipWN : Question off topic- was there a movie about an Avianca plane that took off from JFK and crashed on the beach? I saw it a few years ago. The main chara
    33 Tavong : Juan has far has i Know IB at this time doesn't have any 747-300 in their fleet since they are all returned to Air Atlanta and the 747-400s tehy have
    34 Avianca : is Iberworld a frequent visitor in BOG? I saw last year one. It was May 2004. What kind of charters are they? Ok this time I understand but normally?
    35 JUANR : From what I've heard the Iberworld charter is the one you don't want to be in: deported people. it is a usual visitor at BOG. Juan SKBO
    36 Fermarta : IB has 2 B743 (TF-ATI and TF-ATJ). TF-ATJ is the one at BOG right now. Rgds.
    37 Post contains links and images Wimpycol : Hola Gustavo how are you?? The Iberia Jumbo that you and Juan saw was an IB B747-341 with TF-ATJ as registration.View Large View MediumPhoto © M
    38 Fermarta : Only EC-DIB still flying and not for long.
    39 Post contains images Wimpycol : Hello Avianca The Spanish government normally charter Iberworld to deport people back to their home country's... so its a one way trip. I saw the A33
    40 Wimpycol : So the A340-600's replaced them. Fermarta... GRACIAS!!
    41 Wimpycol : Back to the topic! Things does change fast with AV. So the latest on their B767's The AV 767's are already flying.... yesterday departing to Madrid, S
    42 Post contains links Summa767 : Hello Willem, As you mentioned Air Madrid, and going off topic again, I can refer you to today's Portafolio, in which they are threatening to stop fly
    43 Wimpycol : Hi Juan Carlos. Thanks for the nice info! WOW I've heart of the Armenia- Europe flight sometime ago. Hmmmm it would be great but I think that the MDE
    44 Post contains images Marambio : Hola Amigos Chibchombianos , Just curious: do any of you know the route of the 757-operated flight to Madrid? I guess it must stop somewhere in Venezu
    45 Summa767 : Marambio, AV's grounding only lasted less than 2 days in the end. The 757 flight was never operated, but cancelled instead. I am sure passengers had t
    46 757MDE : Dude the 757 to MAD was a flaw in the matrix, it didn't operate AFAIK. I think we have our rights to deny the Air Madrid thing if Spain doesn't Author
    47 Post contains images Avianca : my dream from MDE to FRA (B767-200) nonstop... but just a dream, ok at least I would use it every 2 months... hehe
    48 Post contains images Tavong : Thanks Fermata for the Info, any idea when the 747-300 will leave Iberia? Are they being replaced by the EX-SAI 744sa? or A340-600¿ (or a mixture be
    49 Rojo : Good to know that AV finally solved the B767 issue, since they must have paid some big compensations to passengers due to the new EU laws for flight o
    50 Wimpycol : Hello Rojo, I can imagine how those people feel but I don't think that AV have paid some big compensations. These new EU laws for flight overbooking
    51 AlitaliaMD11 : Does anyone know of the chances of AV sending the 767-300 to MAD tommarow? I am going out early becuase I need to pick up friends from a CO flight, an
    52 Bogota : 767.300 does not fly on a regular basis to MAD, you will probably see the 767.200 but with the horrible Alianza Summa Colors.
    53 Fermarta : IB only talks of retiring the B742s, not the B743s, even though it has now 8 A346.
    54 757MDE : Hey Avianca are you from MDE also?
    55 Avianca : I am living in Frankfurt Germany, but my heart is absolutly Paisa... My mother is from MDE and also my wife... saludos Avianca
    56 757MDE : Nice!, that makes three of us now in here.
    57 MATURRO727 : 757MDE: dude please.... that makes like 10 or 12 or even more of us here, we are al Colombians ! lets forget that stupid regionalism in here ! MATURRO
    58 Post contains images Wimpycol : Hi, a small note from me Its only good to see more Colombians... because back in 1999/2000 when I started to found out what A.net is up for, there onl
    59 757MDE : Hey I'm no regionalist in any sense but I like to have more people from/tied to my city here in the forum. Is that a sin or what?. I'm not using any
    60 Post contains links Rojo : Hi Wimpycol, Just to clarify that the new EU rules apply to AV when departing from MAD... "Passengers travelling on all domestic and international fl
    61 Wimpycol : hola Rojo Thanks for the info... very interesting....and once again i still can't trust my Dutch newspaper on some articles hahaha. Regards
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