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Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?  
User currently offlineChris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 169 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9297 times:
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Hi everybody,

Probably I missed the topic in the past here but is there a launch customer for Boeing's new B772LR yet ?

I appreciate all infos,

Chris

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9257 times:

PK and BR have already ordered.

PK is the launch customer. I think BR was planning on changing their 772LR orders to the Freighter version?

Also, SQ and AC are rumoured to be considering the aircraft.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9201 times:

Air France is in talks with Boeing for 2 freighters variant of the B772LR and could be the launch customer for this version.

User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

I wonder how many will have to be sold for Boeing to recover the R&D costs for this derivative?

GU



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

It split R&D costs with the 773ER; so theoretically, no more can be sold yet the costs could still be recovered.

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8792 times:

If I am not mistaken AC is looking at a mix of 772LR and 773ERs

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few? This could also affect QF's 777/A340 decision greatly.

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

The QF decision has been stated numerous times that they will not make up there minds until mid summer on the a/c they will order next if at all.

Also I thought AF and 5X were the launch carriers for the 777-200LRF. Is this correct?

BTW: Nice VIOLATION of rule #20!

[Edited 2005-02-16 23:25:45]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Another strong contender is Saudi Arabian for both 772LR and 773ER.


Quoting BoeingFever777 (reply 7):

Also I thought AF and 5X were the launch carriers for the 777-200LRF. Is this correct?


The 777-F does not yet have a launch customer. Those airlines are certainly possible however...


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

UPS also has been rumored to be interested. Take it for what it's worth....

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

>I think BR was planning on changing their 772LR orders to the Freighter version?<

That is the rumor, but they have not said anything yet. The orders are still for the PAX version.

>So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few?<

It can't. In can only go one way non-stop, and even that would take a restriction. Going SYD-LHR would require the plane be about half full of passengers, with no cargo.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8546 times:


Quoting FriendlySkies (reply 6):
So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few?


It can only do LHR-SYD not SYD-LHR. QF are looking at A346 and 773 (ER?) and appart from using it to LHR I don't think Qantas really has a need for such an aircraft, the same can probably be said for BA.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (reply 5):
If I am not mistaken AC is looking at a mix of 772LR and 773ERs


are they not happy with their 2 A345?
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Airbus Fan YYZ

I heard these romors too but do you believe it? Then what are they going to do with the A333, A343, and A345 and their order for the A346?



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8366 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (reply 13):
their order for the A346?

they have placed an order for 3 A346. B777 don't seem coming.
Any definate news?
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

I hope an American based carrier descides to get one.....

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

I hope an American based carrier descides to get one.....

Continental would be the favourite there. It would open up some interesting route possibilities for them. For instance African operations.

Other operators could well be FedEX or UPS for a hot freight lifter capable of doing long range/heavy mixtures of ops which are time-critical. FedEX for instance makes a ton of money with its MD-11s doing live animal work, and eliminating stops for those operations would be a massive benefit.

The real action with this derivative is going to be in the freight world. There are so many applications for a 772LRF which can be listed, or even the 772F detanked version with higher payloads.


Airbus doesn't really have anything in its portfolio to offer against the 777 freighters in the near term.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8092 times:


Quoting WhiteHatter (reply 16):
The real action with this derivative is going to be in the freight world. There are so many applications for a 772LRF which can be listed, or even the 772F detanked version with higher payloads

Is a tanked up version of the freighter going to be offered? The website shows the fuel capacity to be the same as 773ER and less than the 772LR.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

I would think Boeing will let the market lead them on this, in consultation with clients such as Emirates, Lufthansa Cargo, FedEX and UPS. The technical side is not going to be difficult to adapt to the customer's needs as they are crystallised into a requirement.

It would be relatively simple to offer options of more tank or more payload.


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7541 times:

I actually wonder if AC would be interested in the 772LR or 773ER. Neither a/c can do Toronto-Delhi because they are not allowed to fly over the Himilayas. Only 4 engined a/c are allowed to do that. In order to fly direct from Toronto to Delhi or v.v. they need to fly over that mountain range.

User currently offlineFedExA380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

I am only but one of many.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR. Adding another type A/C would skyrocket operating costs. FedEx is quite content with the DC-10/MD-11 and A-300/310 mix for now.. the only changes you can bet on in the near future are the ones we all know about already = A-380.

User currently onlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7036 times:

I can't see AC getting 777s in the near future. They already have several A333s and A343s, two A345s and have orders for a couple of A346s. And I've also heard they are looking for used A343s. Wouln't make much sence to add 777s, although in my opinion the 777 is a better (but yes, more expensive to buy) product than the A340.



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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

sow hat does it have for range? hope it wasnt already asked.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

I am only but one of many.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR.

Orders do not have to be placed before the aircraft flies.

FedEx will eventually need to replace their ageing A310, DC-10 and MD-11 aircraft. The DC-10 fleet in particular. There should still be a 777 production line in 10 years time, by which time FedEX may well be flying them. Not everything can be done with an A380.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5855 times:


Quoting Vulindlela744 (reply 19):
Neither a/c can do Toronto-Delhi because they are not allowed to fly over the Himilayas.

They can do it, but they're not allowed to do so in the most direct routing possible...


Quoting FedExA380 (reply 20):
.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR

...particularly considering that they and EK have been the driving forces behind 772LRF development since 2002  Nuts


25 Yanksn4 : What about SYD-JFK? signed, Matthew
26 JAL : I think it is PIA.
27 Leelaw : This is utter nonsense. Under GAAP, R & D expenses are always expensed as incurred and are never matched with specific revenues, as R & D activities
28 Thrust : About how long would it take the 777-200LR project to break even?
29 ConcordeBoy : ...pretty as it is petty. While true that both aircraft technically maintained separate accounting for development/ROI (particularly made evident fro
30 Leelaw : Nothing more than verbal diarrhea; a complete non sequitur. FYI, GAAP are fundamental and axiomatic, and not subject to quixotic interpretation and/o
31 A332 : What? That's a pretty far-fetched rumour. Considering AC just took hold of 2x A345s and has orders for the A346 and currently operates a modest A343
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : indeed your posts are proving to be thus, I agree
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