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A340 And A330 Orders That Never Materialised. Why?  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Some A340 and A330 orders that never materialised. Does anybody know why these airlines cancelled their orders. TWA and AOM cancelled their orders years before their demise.

EVA AIR- A340-600
Ethiopian- A340-300
Continental- A330-200 and A340-300
Northwest- A340-300
TWA- A330-200
ALL Nippon (ANA)- A340-300
AOM- A340-300

source (Airlife's Airliners:16)

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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

NWA did not really cancel their orders, but transferred it to an A332 and A333 order.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

From memory, I think the EVA planes were 340-500s and, while I know that they evaluated it, CO never actually ordered A330s, did they? I wasn't even aware that they'd come that close to A340s.

But cancellations are nothing new. Transbrasil, SAA and Gulf (again, from memory) had 777s on order but cancelled them. SIA ordered MD-11s and then pulled out.

Some of this may be to do with how we define an 'order'. Backing out of a real order can be expensive and difficult. Signing an MOU to buy but then deciding not to is much easier (and cheaper). Putting down deposits (as Virgin did on 777s) and then writing that off (or converting the deposit to another type from the same manufacturer) is another possibility.

I guess I'm saying that I wonder how many of your examples (and mine) were 'real' orders as opposed to either airline or manufacturer (or both) talking up less binding options and MOUs.


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

ET cancelled their lease on the 340-300 right before delivery. it was in ET colours and all, something with they mechanics not accepting the aircraft they way it was.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

my guess was that some of them (ANA, and CO) opted for the 777. But its just a guess.

User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

AR was announced as the launch constumer for the 346.

Why never materialised? Because it's AR/Marsans

Regards )( Arcano



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Que tal Arcano?

2 things:

  • AR was only going to be the launch customer for the new A340 in the American continent, as far as I remember. I think VS and CX had their orders filed a bit before 1999, but if this isn't the case, then it's all the more sad that the deal didn't work out for AR. Some sources said that AR's first A346 would arrive in 2002, in which case they could have beaten VS, but more likely, the A346s would have arrived between 2004 and 2008.


  • And the main reason the deal never materialised was quite simply due to the economic crash and the devaluation; although Marsans theoretically operate with Spanish capital, ever since the take-over in 2001, there was no way they were going to be able to commit the necessary funds for 6 new A340-600s, although they have cleverly left the order as "indefinitely postponed" rather than officially cancelled.


  • AR also cancelled the acquisition of 2 A340-300s in 1999/2000 (F-OHPL/M), though I'm not so sure of the reasons for this.

    Saludos de nuevo!

    ZXV



    How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
    User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

    NW ordered 20 A340-200 (IIRC) but pulled out after the PW superfan fiasco.

    They later chose GE for their A320 fleet out of spite.

    And no prizes for guessing which CEO put the final nail in the coffin for CO's order?


    User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3636 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4692 times:
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    Actually, I believe CO dropped their Airbus order when they went into bankruptcy protection in the early 1990's allowing CO to do so without penalty. I also believe that NW's orders actually stayed on the Airbus books, but were allowed to be cancelled as they ordered the A330s.

    User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4635 times:
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    Quoting PM (reply 2):
    CO never actually ordered A330s, did they? I wasn't even aware that they'd come that close to A340s.

    CO ordered the A340 but cancelled later on, I think before the first A340 was going to be delivered and went for the B777 instead. There are some CO A343 models around.


    User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

    Well, obviously EVA Air chose the 777-300ER and -200LR over the A340-500. But, they did choose the A330-200 for their short- to medium-range destinations.

    User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

    What would NW have done with the A343? It is in the pilot contract, isn't it?
    Would it have replaced some 747s?

    Isn't the 777 also in the NW pilot contract?



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    User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

    as for the NH A340-300, they were evaluating the ac. The problem is, the rival T7 beat the game. I think the T7 was a better option in the end. All Nippon, Japan Airlines, and Japan Airsystem all ordered the aircraft and cut costs by cooperating with each other in maintenance.

    Indeed the A340 series never came to BA. But they have A330-200's now doing the NRT run.



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    User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

    I read on a CIA book, that Saudi Arabian had actually ordered more than 50 Airbuses. Mr. Clinton got on Air Force One, flew to Saudi Arabia, and persuaded the airline to change the order to Boeing aircraft. The book is Sleeping with the devil.

    User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 543 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

    TWA ordered 10 A330-300, not the -200. IIRC, the original order was for 20 frames plus 20 options. The type was supposed to replace the aging B747-100 fleet. The plan never came to fruition because of the drastic decline in transatlantic traffic around this time as a result of the Lockerbie bombing and the war in the Gulf.

    User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

    @Juventus: The version we have over here is a bit different. Both Airbus and Boeing were heavily competing for this deal, however the CIA/NSA fished every fax from Airbus to Boeing. Boeing was told the prices Airbus was offering and in this case was always able to be a tad lower than Airbus´ offer.

    CO had 10 A330-300 and 10 A340-300 on order, later changed ot to 13/7 (?) before completely cancelling it.

    NH had 5 A340-300s in the books for years, but at one point decided to cancel it. No idea why they ordered them in first place.

    NW apparently has an interesting deal with Airbus: the old order stayed in the book and after every delivery of an 330-200/300 of the new order, one frame is canceled of the old order. Suppose it has to do with the old framework and probably the deposits paid for the old order. However, as of today NW already has more A330-200/300 on order than the old order ever had.



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    User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

    Swissair ordered a couple of Airbus A340-600s (not sure of the number, I think they had ordered 9) which were never delivered due to their disappearance in 2001. If I'm correct they are now being operated by Iberia.

    User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

    not entirely, 6 are now with South African Airways, 3 are with Iberia IIRC.


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    User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

    Quoting Juventus (reply 0):
    EVA AIR- A340-600


    This order became A330s.

    Quoting Juventus (reply 0):
    Continental- A330-200 and A340-300


    Cancelled in bankruptcy.

    Quoting Juventus (reply 0):
    Northwest- A340-300


    Delayed due to horrible financials, then became one of the largest single fleets of A330s in the world.

    Quoting Juventus (reply 0):
    TWA- A330-200


    Bankruptcy.

    N


    User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3409 times:

    An A330 in TWA colors would have been a nice thing to see. Was TWA thinking about replacing the L1011s or 767s with the A330.

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