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SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses  
User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Only a short time ago, a wide body Airbus was a sight not seen at SEA. I recall one AC A340 diverted from YVR one day, that's it. Now, SEA is host to three airlines flying A330/340s: NW, CI, and SAS. Although this means the absence of the NW 747 classics, I think the pax to NRT will aggree that the A330 is a better ride. How does the A340 service on SAS compare with the 763s? I still argue that LH could easily fill a daily A346 or 744 to FRA. Mabye someday. The times, they are 'a changin'.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
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We still have BA, EVA Air, and Asiana 747's. and UA 777's So?

[Edited 2005-02-17 04:10:07]


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User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Asiana doesn't use a 744 anymore, its a 777 now.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

And UA 777s...what is the point of this thread?

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6817 times:
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Yes, that's what I say.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6795 times:

Just remembered, HA also flies 763s in, and I think DL might fly a 762 in...

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

AS also flies there alot I heard

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

The point of the thread was that he wanted to talk about the new spate of Airbuses at SEA, where previously there were none.

Ya'll could all try not to be jackasses about it.

N


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

I would exactly call 4 airplanes a huge difference...there really isn't much to discuss. So 3 airlines are now flying an Airbus to SEA....ok, umm.......so yeah.

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet. As aviation enthusiasts, we should welcome any increase in diversity at an airport.

Back to the thread - I remember when SEA was a widebody heaven. NW & UA had multiple daily DC-10s and 747s, AA, CO, TW all flew their respective widebodies in and JL, TG, AY, MU and Martinair all made appearances at one time or another. SEA still fares better than many places, but I miss the days when every gate held a different aircraft type. Now it feels like an endless progression of 737s punctuated with A32x.

Duane



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

How about everyone stop being such a d**k twards him for making a point? My god, if you can't reply with something positive or polite, why reply at all? And don't jump on me for snapping at anyone, cuz I just did it cuz I'm sick of you all acting like an a** hole.

The mods can delete my reply now Smile


User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1030 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Thanks Gigneil, i agree with you.

Surely we all stand to learn something from the more topics and contributors using a.net. If you can't see the point of the topic, quietly move on to the next one.


User currently offlinePhxfly From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 82 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

I used to live on Capital Hill in SEA and always had some good opportunities to see approaches and takeoffs from 34L & R. I'd see NW DC10's, BA 744's, UA 772 and the SAS A340. I always loved watching the A340 on departure with it's "hair dryer" engines. Watching the daily 6:30pm BA 744 lumber overhead was always a treat. GOOD TIMES!

User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6559 times:
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Does JL still serve SEA or is NW and UA the only one's?

What does LH use on this route?


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6549 times:
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LH doesn't serve SEA. The serve PDX with an A330 I believe. JL doesn't serve SEA either.


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

JL and NH don't serve SEA I think.

That's sad. Everyone I know wants to go see Ichiro play. If they flew there it would be packed with baseball fans. More would prefer to fly to SEA than watch the games locally. It would be great for business.

There have been rumors floating around that NW might use their A330s coming online to start a new SEA to NGO route. Don't see its benefit besides Ichiro being from Nagoya area.




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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

I believe that the LH PDX service is a A343.


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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet

The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard. Unfortunately, the starter of the thread does not specify any of that. Calling someone an a##hole or a jackass for questioning the point of a thread that has no stated point is not wrong. I too was wondering what the point of the thread was.

Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.
Generally speaking, adults write with clear and well thought sentences ...

So, about the thread, my opinion would be that as demand increases and airlines acquire new equipment, aircraft are sent to different destinations. I doubt that NW didn't fly an A330 into SEA because Boeing may be offended, or something to that effect.

FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

LH's service to PDX is an A340-300

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

and look at all the Boeing's at CDG!! WOW, 777s all over the place.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25568 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6324 times:
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FLY2LIM:

Hmmm?

The point of the thread is incredibly simple - there are now widebody Airbi flying into SEA, when there were not before.

Boeing is not mentioned in the first post, nor is there any suggestion or presumption that somehow airlines kept the Airbi away because of Boeing. To suggest that this is so raises the B v. A war to a new level of paranoia.

It may not be the most intellectually stimulating thread in the history of a.net, but it is completely valid, and somewhat more interesting - to me - than "why did airline A change their livery."

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1947 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Mason,

As far as the "ride", I totally disagree. I have traveled the NWA 742/744 many times from the U.S. West Coast to NRT. I recently took the 330-200 on a similar routing. To this day, there is nothing that flies like the Jumbo. Although the 330-200 is a great airplane, it's comfort level is not up to the Jumbo and is a narrower aircraft. Although the 330-200 maybe technologically superior, the aircraft lacks lateral space. If your seated in the front cabin along the window, I found myself repeated bumping my head on the side wall due to the premature fuselage curvature. I personally think that this is drawback on all widebody Airbus products. Additionally, the extremely small windows are another drawback. I was hoping that the 380 would address the window issue, but no such luck!


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

"Generally speaking, adults write with clear and well thought sentences ..."


What a pointless remark, cconsidering the subject. There is far too much bitching an confrontation on a.net about silly subjects like A vs. B. This guy is absolutely right.


"The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard."


Seriously... are you trying to start a war? What use is idle speculative propaganda?

This thread is simply an observation about a change in state at SEA, asking for reflections and comments. Not every thread has to be out there, challenging the politics and economics of the industry.


"The point of the thread was that he wanted to talk about the new spate of Airbuses at SEA, where previously there were none.

Ya'll could all try not to be jackasses about it."

"Surely we all stand to learn something from the more topics and contributors using a.net. If you can't see the point of the topic, quietly move on to the next one."


Well said, I couldn't agree more.

I'm sure there are plenty of riled up Boeing employees shouting abuse to the airbuses as they fly over Boeing Field on their way into SEA! This seems to be a natural progression to have happened as Airbus and Boeing are now the two major players in the field.

A couple of questions: Which Boeings operate around Airbus' HQ area?

Would it ever be likely (or possible?) to see an A380 at SEA? I would imagine it might be cargo rather than Pax. Do UPS have a presence at SEA?



A340-300 - slow, but awesome!
User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

I think the 340 SAS has been around for awhile, and since you didn't mention pax only, don't forget this bad boy. UPS A300


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25 Mason : You're right, N317AS, about the venerable A300, but UPS operates out of BFI, not SEA. FedEx, does however, operate out of SEA with the A300, or at lea
26 N317AS : You're right Mason. When I took that they were out of SEA though. At least that day they were.
27 Post contains links FlyingDoctorWu : As far as the "ride", I totally disagree. I have traveled the NWA 742/744 many times from the U.S. West Coast to NRT. I recently took the 330-200 on a
28 Leskova : Regarding SAS's B767s and A340s, they're both - more or less - the same in comfort, though I found the seats more comfortable... to be precise: less w
29 Post contains links and images EDDM : The usual bunch of 737s, some 757s and a (weekly, IIRC) 747 to RUN. View Large View MediumPhoto © French Frogs AirSlides
30 Post contains images MQrampBOS : I disagree. The thread presumes nothing more than that until recently Airbus widebodies were a rare sight at SEA (and that's only what I presume). Al
31 Bronko : Aeroflot flies into SEA with a 763 as well, used to be a 777.
32 Post contains images Gearup : Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.
33 OzarkD9S : Back in the day, Eastern flew the FIRST widebody Airbus, the A300 into SEA. Which is more than can be said for STL, who gets FedEx and that's IT!
34 TrevD : Gotta agree w/FyingDocWu, did 2 trips last month on NWA's A330 service to Narita. What a Disappointment!! Bring back the 747's, Please!! While the new
35 Ktachiya : TrevD You did the trip to NRT on NW on a A330 from SEA is that correct? Where in the world are you going to board JAL's 777's from? I know UA flights
36 COSPN : Thanks thats cool on the TLS-RUN...reminds me on another thread so that must be one of the longest "Domestic" Flights..RUN is a Metro France territory
37 Post contains images Ready4Pushback : I have thought this a number of times when traveling on Airbuses. I think that the passenger cabin is higher in the fuselage, making the walls curve
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