Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6950 times:
Only a short time ago, a wide body Airbus was a sight not seen at SEA. I recall one AC A340 diverted from YVR one day, that's it. Now, SEA is host to three airlines flying A330/340s: NW, CI, and SAS. Although this means the absence of the NW 747 classics, I think the pax to NRT will aggree that the A330 is a better ride. How does the A340 service on SAS compare with the 763s? I still argue that LH could easily fill a daily A346 or 744 to FRA. Mabye someday. The times, they are 'a changin'.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6734 times:
Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet. As aviation enthusiasts, we should welcome any increase in diversity at an airport.
Back to the thread - I remember when SEA was a widebody heaven. NW & UA had multiple daily DC-10s and 747s, AA, CO, TW all flew their respective widebodies in and JL, TG, AY, MU and Martinair all made appearances at one time or another. SEA still fares better than many places, but I miss the days when every gate held a different aircraft type. Now it feels like an endless progression of 737s punctuated with A32x.
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S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6697 times:
How about everyone stop being such a d**k twards him for making a point? My god, if you can't reply with something positive or polite, why reply at all? And don't jump on me for snapping at anyone, cuz I just did it cuz I'm sick of you all acting like an a** hole.
Phxfly From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 82 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
I used to live on Capital Hill in SEA and always had some good opportunities to see approaches and takeoffs from 34L & R. I'd see NW DC10's, BA 744's, UA 772 and the SAS A340. I always loved watching the A340 on departure with it's "hair dryer" engines. Watching the daily 6:30pm BA 744 lumber overhead was always a treat. GOOD TIMES!
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6501 times:
JL and NH don't serve SEA I think.
That's sad. Everyone I know wants to go see Ichiro play. If they flew there it would be packed with baseball fans. More would prefer to fly to SEA than watch the games locally. It would be great for business.
There have been rumors floating around that NW might use their A330s coming online to start a new SEA to NGO route. Don't see its benefit besides Ichiro being from Nagoya area.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1188 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:
Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet
The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard. Unfortunately, the starter of the thread does not specify any of that. Calling someone an a##hole or a jackass for questioning the point of a thread that has no stated point is not wrong. I too was wondering what the point of the thread was.
Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.
Generally speaking, adults write with clear and well thought sentences ...
So, about the thread, my opinion would be that as demand increases and airlines acquire new equipment, aircraft are sent to different destinations. I doubt that NW didn't fly an A330 into SEA because Boeing may be offended, or something to that effect.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25697 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6331 times:
The point of the thread is incredibly simple - there are now widebody Airbi flying into SEA, when there were not before.
Boeing is not mentioned in the first post, nor is there any suggestion or presumption that somehow airlines kept the Airbi away because of Boeing. To suggest that this is so raises the B v. A war to a new level of paranoia.
It may not be the most intellectually stimulating thread in the history of a.net, but it is completely valid, and somewhat more interesting - to me - than "why did airline A change their livery."
Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6299 times:
As far as the "ride", I totally disagree. I have traveled the NWA 742/744 many times from the U.S. West Coast to NRT. I recently took the 330-200 on a similar routing. To this day, there is nothing that flies like the Jumbo. Although the 330-200 is a great airplane, it's comfort level is not up to the Jumbo and is a narrower aircraft. Although the 330-200 maybe technologically superior, the aircraft lacks lateral space. If your seated in the front cabin along the window, I found myself repeated bumping my head on the side wall due to the premature fuselage curvature. I personally think that this is drawback on all widebody Airbus products. Additionally, the extremely small windows are another drawback. I was hoping that the 380 would address the window issue, but no such luck!
Amy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6268 times:
"Generally speaking, adults write with clear and well thought sentences ..."
What a pointless remark, cconsidering the subject. There is far too much bitching an confrontation on a.net about silly subjects like A vs. B. This guy is absolutely right.
"The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard."
Seriously... are you trying to start a war? What use is idle speculative propaganda?
This thread is simply an observation about a change in state at SEA, asking for reflections and comments. Not every thread has to be out there, challenging the politics and economics of the industry.
"The point of the thread was that he wanted to talk about the new spate of Airbuses at SEA, where previously there were none.
Ya'll could all try not to be jackasses about it."
"Surely we all stand to learn something from the more topics and contributors using a.net. If you can't see the point of the topic, quietly move on to the next one."
Well said, I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are plenty of riled up Boeing employees shouting abuse to the airbuses as they fly over Boeing Field on their way into SEA! This seems to be a natural progression to have happened as Airbus and Boeing are now the two major players in the field.
A couple of questions: Which Boeings operate around Airbus' HQ area?
Would it ever be likely (or possible?) to see an A380 at SEA? I would imagine it might be cargo rather than Pax. Do UPS have a presence at SEA?