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Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

On monday, an Easy Jet flight supposedly from GVA to CIA had its pilot landing in FCO airport instead !!! This I don't think changed much for the passengers inside the plane who were going to rome. It did however affect those passengers wanting to go back to GVA from CIA. Result, they had to find their own way back to GVA without a refund, just because of the Pilot's fault which also means the Airline's fault

1) Its good the fact of there having a refund for overbooking, delays and flight cancels

2)Does this sort of incident often happen ?


A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1872 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

They had the incident too early...
I think the new European rules start today only....
However, if they were already checked, the airline is responsible for the pax.. And with Easyjet parameters, the check-in was already closed when the pilot made his mistake.
Just one question: why didn't Easyjet send the plane from FCO to CIA? (or organize a bus for the pax)Of course, it has a cost. But it is cheaper than flying en empty plane back to GVA
Teva



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

Quoting Teva (reply 1):
But it is cheaper than flying en empty plane back to GVA


Why? Less weight = less fuel = more $£$ for U2. They didn't give a refund the passengers remember.

The pilot should be sacked as well, moron.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10858 times:

Surely the ATC controllers should have told him he was landing at the wrong airport?


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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ACCIDENTLY LAND AT THE WRONG AIRPORT!

1, the flightplan from GVA to CIA would be in the FMC/FMGS

2, atc has the aircrafts flightplan

3, the approach plates used by pilots to set up landing would clearly say FCO with a plan of FCO's runway[s].

4, did they not realise on the radio that they were talking to FCO app & twr?

I don' t think 2 pilots can make this mistake, if they really did, THATS A DISGRACE, THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING!

are you sure it wasn't a diversion?


User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

If this is proven to be the pilots fault, I don't think he will have much more of a career at easyJet!

Unfortunate thing to have happened, you would think that with the amount of technology at the disposal of ATC and the pilots that such an event would never occur, but this has proven me wrong!

Cheers,
Ian.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

You would have to think that easyJet would give their CIA-originating passengers more than just a speech about how they are up the creek without a paddle and not to ask for their assistance...

Otherwise, I'm not sure how tort works in the European Union, but I'm sure that there will be a lawsuit coming...



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User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

Well, it is a LOT easier to get into rome from FCO than CIA, but getting into Rome obviously isn't everyones concern, but it would have actually been beneficial to me.

Ciao,
Adam



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

What is the source of your information RootsAir?


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

Here it is though in French ...its just mentioned in an article which concerns overbooking
It from a feench speaking newspaper called 24 heures
However here in Switzerland you have to pay to view archives of past editions so i haven't been able to find one that only mentions this incident. If I mangae to find an edition with an article about the incident I will scan the article and publish it here
http://www.24heures.ch/home/journal/...&art_id=45446&Rubrique=Gros+titres



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10712 times:

Hey everybody

http://www.lematin.ch/nwmatinhome/nw...actu_suisse/nuit_blanche_pour.html

I have finally been able to find an article thought its in french only. You could use the google language tools to translate the article if you wish so since I don't really have time now to translate it

It says that the PAX had to spend the night in CIA , and they were given no food or beverages during the whole night, which is very bad especially with young kids on board.

According to easy Jet there were verys trong winds on CIA but since other aircraft landed it increased the chances of the pilot having landed at the wrong airport.

Tuesday they finally got to GVA and police had to disperse the angry PAX .
EZS should finally refund them



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10668 times:

Whats going on......Forgetting your sector.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

Mel, a 9W staff once told me that their pilot landed a 737 at Juhu aerodrome instead of BOM. Is this true? or rather, is it possible for a 737 to land at Juhu?

Olly


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10474 times:

This happened once while I was working at LGW. An SQ 744 was descending into LGW but it wasn't ATC who queried it but the guy who controlled the gate allocations. " I think you should be heading for LHR" he told the pilot. And he was right. The pilot didn't respond or thank him for pointing out the error.



User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10302 times:

If EZY do sack that pilot, perhaps he could get a job with FR - I wouldn't mind it if FR services 'accidentally' ended up at airports located closer to the towns they purport to serve!


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting VictorTango (reply 12):
a 9W staff once told me that their pilot landed a 737 at Juhu aerodrome instead of BOM


9W pilots have landed at some wrong aerodromes in the past and have even landed on taxiways, but never at Juhu airport.

That said, JAL had a DC-8 try to mistakenly land at Juhu in 1972. It was the last flight that particular aircraft made alas.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

Would be interesting to hear a comment from Rick767 as an easyJet pilot.

This is a comment summarised from PPRuNe - the author is also a 737 pilot

Sometimes a Commander may not land at Ciampino and will go to Fiumicino instead. Usually in the case of the circling approach being in use at CIA. It is a demanding approach and if its a blustery night close to minima or part of the lighting is U/S then airmanship alone dictates it better to land at the other Rome airport a few miles away.

Under no circumstances are you going to get the two mistaken and accidently land at the wrong one. They are quite different in many fundamental repects.


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...9fdeeff73f229ecf2b&threadid=163762

So... it's unlikely it was an error, much more like a diversion.






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User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

I think Diesel1 is right, It's almost impossible that you land by mistake at an airport which is 18 miles away from your intended destination.


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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10064 times:


Quoting A319114 (reply 17):
It's almost impossible that you land by mistake at an airport which is 18 miles away from your intended destination.


Thats correct. Enough said.



User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

I landed at an airport in China (still have no idea where) on my way between Beijing and Guangzhou in a CAAC Trident. Nobody got out, nobody got in and no fuel was added. I always thought the pilot got the wrong place.

User currently offlineRaybolt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

Back a few years (more than that now I suppose), a NW flight landed at BRU instead of FRA. The captain thought they were landing at FRA the whole time (till they broke out of the clouds on final) and even called approach and tower Frankfurt. Only the pax and FAs in the back knew they were going to the wrong airport because of a moving map display in the cabin. There were a few other factors contributing also, but it does show that this sort of thing can happen from time to time.

dan



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

The article clearly says that the pilot went to FCO because strong winds prevented a landing at CIA.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26501 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

>I'm not sure how tort works in the European Union, but I'm sure that there will be a lawsuit coming...<

Actually, the suit would likely come in contract, though depending on how EZS treated them, tort could be a possibility.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9088 times:

Unbelievable! Just sack the ATC guy and stop blaming the EZY pilots... At the end they go where ATC sends them. Furthermore, this new EU law is absolutely terrible for us LCC flyers. Ticket prices will go up, and I've never had one FR flight being cancelled or being late anyway.... I'll take the chance and pay less anytime.......... Stupid socialist governments........

KL911


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8881 times:

Does anybody ready replies anymore? Its obvious here that it was not a mistake and it was done on purpose....

KL911:
Are you having a bad day buddy?

AirPortugal310



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25 JFKviaPHX : When the weather gets too nasty at LGA some carriers will divert to JFK. It's only a few miles down the road, and they bus everyone over who needs to
26 RootsAir : The article clearly says that the pilot went to FCO because strong winds prevented a landing at CIA A friend of mine that works for EasyJet in Geneva
27 Bennett123 : Regardless of what they are obliged to do, I think that a free bus from CIA to FCO might have been good PR. Dumping a load of passengers at CIA and s
28 Post contains images WestWing : Interestingly, a Soviet 4-propeller Illyushin aircraft (probably an IL-18) also landed at Juhu a few weeks after that JAL DC-8. The Illyushin was abl
29 USAFHummer : Two other incidents that I can think of immediately involving a landing at the wrong airport...Im sure there are many others, but these sprung to mind
30 Post contains links PDXFlyer : Here is a list of several such events: http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html
31 Post contains links Russophile : Is it any surprise that easyJet and Ryanair are the 2 most vocal opponents to new EU regulations giving passengers more rights to financial compensati
32 NASBWI : Wasn't there a Continental 735 that was supposed to land at CRP a few years back and ended up landing at a small (similar-looking) municipal airport a
33 LegendDC9 : NASBWI, that's the first one that came to mind. Maybe it's the same captain? Probably just near sighted I guess...
34 Post contains links OPNLguy : >>>Wasn't there a Continental 735 that was supposed to land at CRP a few years back and ended up landing at a small (similar-looking) municipal airpor
35 Doona : As far as ATC goes, sometimes controllers don't recieve the correct strips for the respective flights on their screens. The FMC is sometimes not used
36 Post contains links and images EclipseFlight7 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Ronen eckstein View Large View MediumPhoto © Gianluca Casponi Your pulling my pisser if a pilot can confuse th
37 N1120A : >Dumping a load of passengers at CIA and saying tough S*** is not a good way to run any business.
38 Post contains images PolAir : Only other that comes to my mind is .... my second stagecheck when gettin my private. Very embarrassing
39 RightWayUp : "Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA" Its probably me but it does seem that uninformed people on this website have free-rein to spout complete c
40 Speedbird128 : Yeah RightWayUp, like this: Being an ATC I can assure you pilots won't always "just go where you tell them" - especially if it's to land at an airport
41 Regis : Regardless of what they are obliged to do, I think that a free bus from CIA to FCO might have been good PR. U2 hauled the stranded pax to FCO on a bu
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