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Any Aircraft Able To Do LHR-AKL?  
User currently offlineBambicruz From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 294 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3602 times:

Hello everyone,

Since there are many talks about the new 777LR being able to fly LHR-SYD non stop, I am curious if it will be able to do the LHR-AKL run EastBound/Westbound as well? I just checked the Great Circle Mapper and the distance is 11404 mi (that's almost 1000 miles more than the the LHR-SYD)

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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3581 times:


Quoting Bambicruz (reply 0):
I just checked the Great Circle Mapper



On what site is that map?


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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3587 times:

Not non-stop. Question is, if there was, would you do it?

People do moan about LAX transit room NZ use, but it does allow you to really get up and stretch- a 20-odd hour non-stop flight sounds quite horrendous.


User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3546 times:

LHR-AKL = 9910nm. 777LR current estimated range = 9420nm. That's 490nm short. I would not be surprised to see Boeing do it on a demonstration run, though. Perhaps even with some airline execs aboard.


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User currently offlineBambicruz From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3519 times:

I recall the A340 doing CDG-AKL back in the beginning of the 90s for a "Round the World with one Stop" demonstration.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

>Since there are many talks about the new 777LR being able to fly LHR-SYD non stop<

It can only do it one way. It will not be able to fly both ways, non-stop, with any sort of load. LHR-AKL is even more out of the question.

BTW, the Great Circle site is at gc.kls2.com



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Or,

www.gc.kls2.com




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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

The 777-200LR is a great jet,. But Qantas has said (and everyone keeps ignoring them) that it is inadequate for commercial operations non-stop on the Sydney-London route either way.

It will happen one day, maybe within 10 years.

But the fact that SQ has said in The Straits Times it is not after more ultra long range jets is a note of warning. What that story means is that with five A345s doing the two ultra long range routes it wants already to Newark and Los Angeles, there just isn't the demand for any more.

Pity the 777-200LR wasn't up to the mark when they placed the Airbus order, but that's life.

We won't get any super long range jets until there is serious demand in the market place.


Antares


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

"But the fact that SQ has said in The Straits Times it is not after more ultra long range jets is a note of warning. What that story means is that with five A345s doing the two ultra long range routes it wants already to Newark and Los Angeles, there just isn't the demand for any more."

Since when does Qantas speak for the world's airlines? Qantas isn't even one of the world's 10 largest airlines for that matter.



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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

PHXinterrupted,

Concentrate man. I didn't claim they were speaking for the world's airlines. I was pointing out that while some posters are saying the jet could do the LHR-SYD route non-stop the principal operator on the route, and a long time good customer of Boeing, is saying that it can't YET.

Antares


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Bambicruz

It was an A340-200 "World Ranger" (F-WWBA). It was a LBG - AKL (not CDG-AKL). and it was on June 18th 1993. The distance was covered after a 21h31 mn nonstop flight.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

>Or,

www.gc.kls2.com<

You don't type www at the beginning of the command.



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7169 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (reply 8):
Since when does Qantas speak for the world's airlines? Qantas isn't even one of the world's 10 largest airlines for that matter.

because it is one of the world's more profitable airlines. It has money to spend on
aircraft. It doesn't represent the world's airlines, but like SQ/EK is a good litmus test of what capabilities profitable airlines are actually keen on.


User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Aerorobnz,

Qantas is NOT one of the world's most profitable airlines. It does not earn the costs of capital. It lags WAY behind SQ,EK and CX in network/traditional carriers, and its last half year profit before tax of 9.4 % margin (it's best ever) was two percentage points behind Virgin Blue's 11.4% for its first half, which was its worst ever.

I get really sick of the tripe that gets published in the media, and then spouted on A.net.

Antares


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2820 times:
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I'm sure one day or another a European carrier WILL start flying Europe-Oz non-stop.

I'm rather thinking of a small airline like Lauda Air e.g.

FB.



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (reply 14):
I'm sure one day or another a European carrier WILL start flying Europe-Oz non-stop.


Im thinking more along the lines of Virgin....they're always up for something bigger and better ... longer and further...


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

In a low-density configuration of about 200 seats (appropriate for such an ultra long haul), the B777-200LR probably could fly passengers with their bags nonstop from LHR to AKL. However, a stop would definitely be required in the AKL-LHR direction. Further, even eastbound there would be little if any capacity for cargo, so it seems unlikely to be profitable given the smaller volume of high-yield passengers compared to LHR-SYD/MEL. Even with a future large increase in MTOW, I still don't see the B777-200LR flying LHR-AKL nonstop in commercial service because additional fuel capacity would be needed for AKL-LHR or to carry cargo LHR-AKL.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (reply 8):
Since when does Qantas speak for the world's airlines? Qantas isn't even one of the world's 10 largest airlines for that matter.


QF used to operate the longest routes of any airline, and might still hold the title, so it would have some say in specifications or requirements for ultra long-range aircraft.



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